Quote Of The Day – Vivek Murthy

“Being gay is not a disorder. Being transgender is not a malady that requires a cure. Had I been Leelah Alcorn’s physician, I would have told her exactly that. And that’s the message I want other doctors, nurses, health professionals, and public health leaders to help get out to parents and children who may be confronting these issues.” – Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, speaking today on a conference call about White House support for bans on “ex-gay” torture.

  • D. J.

    Loud Applause!

  • Randy Ellicott

    Its so nice to have a surgeon general again!

  • Octavio

    But just wait until he announces that masturbation is a normal activity. That’s when he’ll have to resign his new post.

    • Gustav2

      No, then we will have to invade Grenada, again.

      • Robincho

        Claudette Colbert just called, and she’s SO grateful that it happened. In fact, she and Ronnie are talking about it right this minute in the Dead Club.. Relief is palpable, trust me…

    • another_steve

      What !?! It’s not normal?

      If not, I’m the most chronically ill human being in the history of our species.

      • Rocketeer500

        You can stand right behind me toots. I think I win that award. 🙂

        • Joe in PA

          mmmm, maybe I should stand in FRONT of you. Just sayin’. [wink wink]

          • Robincho

            Now we know where YOU stand, dear…
            Welcome to the club!

          • Joe in PA

            Now we know where you stand… You have to add ‘bah dum bump’ to that line. 🙂

      • Robincho

        I’ve always said that, dearest, but I’ve always said it in the most loving, caring way…


        I will most likely require a whole hospital wing.

    • 2guysnamedjoe

      If it’s normal it won’t be fun anymore.

      • Rocketeer500

        In your case, it’s not normal. As you were ;-p

      • another_steve

        “If it’s normal it won’t be fun anymore.”

        Ain’t that the truth, hon.

        When the Supreme Court invalidated the state sodomy laws, sorta took some of the fun out of it.

    • Joe in PA

      I miss her!

    • Billanddogs

      Well, it’s not “normal” if you’re really good at it.

    • Robincho

      Thank you, Joycelyn Elders. but please, bitch, just put a sock in it. Just look what happened to your career before. Nuthin’ good can come from talkin’ just sense to the peepz…

    • SFBruce

      My favorite masturbation story comes from a book by A.S. Neill, Summerhill School, a progressive boarding school in England. A father who was interested in enrolling his son asked Neill how the school dealt with masturbation, and Neill’s response was they did nothing. When the father asked if Neil wasn’t concerned about its dangers, Neil’s response was, “It doesn’t seem to have harmed either of us much.”

    • Ragnar Lothbrok

      God is good
      God is great
      Gave us free will to masturbate

      • vorpal

        Thanks for the suggestion :D.

        • Ragnar Lothbrok

          I have many, many more.

          • vorpal

            For you alone, I’m very susceptible to suggestion. Please proceed.
            =evil grins and paws at inner thigh=

  • Curieux Bleu

    And may Leelah Alcorn’s horrid mother go to her own grave, realising that in effect she murdered her own child.

    What kind of person destroys their own child, and why are the avowed self identified vocal Christians treating their own precious children with contempt and denial, and putting them out in the cold, or driving them to suicide. ??

    Such a person has NO LOVE, I’m sorry, but they have done such great evil.

    • vorpal

      The only thing that brings me any solace is the thought that Carla Alcorn will have to go to her bed every night wondering if she is really the one who drove her daughter to suicide.

      I don’t know how someone could live with themselves knowing they essentially murdered their own child.

      • Rocketeer500

        Murdered their child, and got away with it.

      • Robincho

        Oh, quite easily, I should imagine, especially when you’re not toting around any irritating human baggage like conscience, or whutevz…

        • vorpal

          Consciencing is hard. That’s what, like, the bible is for. Problem solved.

    • Robincho

      Carla Carla Bo-barla,
      Bo-nanna fanna Fo-farla,
      Fee, fi, mo-marla,

  • KenDC

    This is what is known as “all in,” as in: Obama administration goes all in to fight the scourge of “ex-gay” torture! So proud of this stance!

    • Lawerence Collins

      Read a sad story about a guy. He went to see a new a doctor.
      The doctor didn’t tell him he diagnosed he with chronic homosexuality. The guy asked to take it off. The doctor refused.
      The guy sued him.
      Don’t remember the outcome

      • RJ Tremor

        There hasn’t been yet. I was reading it on LGBTQNation a few days ago after following a Twitter link. Happened a couple of years ago without his knowledge, in SoCal of all places. Crazies are everywhere, even within the “crazies”.

        Edit: Whoops! It was Advocate, my bad. Also, trying to edit in mobile Chrome is a pain. Paste, dang you.


      • Sporkfighter

        Might as well diagnose patients as “chronically female” or “habitually black”.


  • TheManicMechanic

    BOOM! Like that!

  • Rocketeer500

    I hear a popping sound. What could that be? There it goes again.

  • How refreshing to know that there are public officials speaking out who aren’t dangerous demagogues like Ted Cruz.

    • Lawerence Collins

      Trying to weasel in on sticky Rick Santorums spot in the clown car.

      • JCF

        Get The Net!!!!

  • another_steve

    There is no difference between the Surgeon Generals that a Democratic or a Republican President would appoint. None.

    (Extreme uber-snark of the highest degree — directed to JMG’s Favorite Son.)

    • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

      Yes, and if there hadn’t been voter apathy, there might even be a Congress that would be working to make it the law of the land.


      • GC

        If there hadn’t been voter apathy and voter suppression and gerrymandering…. It’s still important to vote!! We have to deal with a slanted field, while we attempt to fix it.

        • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

          Indeed… all of the above.

    • GC

      Exactly as there’s “no” difference between the Supreme Court Justices that a Democratic or a Republican president would nominate. “None.”

      [ETA: </snark>, just to be clear. We, of all groups, should know how scare quotes work.]

      Register. VOTE!

  • KnownDonorDad

    Go Vivek! I know on the internet no one knows you’re a dog, and so forth, but he actually is a friend of mine and this reflects the kind of guy he is.

  • rextrek1

    could u even Imagine the FUROR that the rightwing loons would have if say – gay parents – sent their kids to “Hetero Conversion” therapy if their kids identified as heterosexual????????

    • GC

      But… but… but… IT’S A CHOICE!!!!

  • Megrim Twist

    I must be old. This made me choke up a bit and my eyes well with tears. And I’m not even sure why.

    • David Milley

      I know why, for me. I grew up in a time when “aversion therapy” — applied via electric shock — and electroshock to the brain — were the best treatment homosexual teens could expect at the hands of the medical establishment. I lived in — perfectly reasonable — fear that if I let anyone know that I like other boys, that this would be done to me.

      Every day, I am astonished to realize that I’ve lived to see the day when those who would unmake us are seen as the villains, not us.

      I weep with relief for the transgendered — all LGBTQ — children who will be a little safer tomorrow than they were today because their president stands behind them.

  • bkmn

    Damn right. The frauds had decades and put thousands through living hell and they still can’t prove they changed one person’s sexual orientation.

    P.S. Getting a gay guy to screw a woman once does not count as changing their sexual orientation.

  • joe ho

    this is progress. and maybe in a hundred years or so it will be religious beliefs that are classified as a disorder.

    • another_steve

      The professional militant atheists are full of shit.

      You pretend to know that the sun will rise tomorrow.

      Can you prove it?

      (My periodic disclaimer: I am not a theist.)

      • joe ho


        as usual you’re confused.

        atheists don’t claim to know the sun will appear to rise tomorrow.

        they claim there’s plenty of credible evidence that the sun will probably appear to rise tomorrow.

        there’s no credible evidence for the existence of anything supernatural, much less for the gods and monsters postulated by the religions.

        but i suppose that crucial difference is too hard for an idiot like you to understand.

        but thanks for playing!

        • another_steve

          You’re obviously not a student of logic and the science of certainty.

          There is only a high probability that the sun will rise tomorrow. No credible scientist will say there’s a 100 percent certainty.

          I personally am not a theist — but kudos and love to my agnostic sisters and brothers reading here, who will not dismiss the possibility that there is a god.

          • joe ho


            are you reading impaired?

            atheists say the sun will probably rise tomorrow.

            you’re the one who’s obviously not a student of logic or science.

            your silly comment can you prove the sun will rise tommorow shows it.

            science doesn’t claim to prove anything. that’s the realm of math and formal logic. science evaluates claims and hypotheses on the basis of evidence.

            the new atheists don’t claim there is no god. they claim there is no credible evidence for believing in one. offer credible evidence and they will believe.

            once again you fail in your atheist bashing attempts.

            but again thanks for playing!

          • another_steve

            You’re just a hater, joe ho — in my books, no different than any other hater, LGBT-hater or otherwise. In your case, you hate this amorphous thing you call “the religious.”

            Whatever. I wish you well.

            Just please don’t steal the tires off my car. 😉

          • PeterC

            Joe will not steal your tires; he does not drive a Model T.

          • joe ho

            model t? it’s more like chariot wheels from the bronze and iron age.

          • joe ho


            asking for claims about reality to be backed up by credible evidence is “hate” only in a twisted mind like yours.

          • Robincho

            The whole deal on this site is pretty much bro’s before ho’s — oh, did I say Ho? I guess that’d mean you, douche…

          • Steven Leahy

            Very well put. I don’t know why these concepts are so difficult for some.

    • David From Canada

      “Religious beliefs are classified as a disorder”. You need to come to terms with the fact that you are a religion-phobe. You’re just as bad as all the phobes out there that say that all gays are sick, blacks are lazy, Jews only want money, etc.
      Religion, like anything else, has its good and bad points. If you choose to see it as all bad, then you have developed a serious phobia toward it. Even your avatar is laced with hostility.
      Dislike something if you like, but don’t let it develop into a full-blown hatred and severe phobia. Very unhealthy. Don’t become the Tony Perkins of the anti-religious crowd.

      • joe ho


        you’re very confused.

        the issue is not whether religion has good or bad points.

        the issue is whether the claims religions make about reality are true or not.

        there is no credible evidence for the claims made by religions, whether it is zeus, odin, thor, allah, or a divine jesus.

        am i a leprechauno-phobe because i don’t think there is credible evidence for believing in leprechauns? do i risk become the anti-;leprechaun tony perkins?

        you need to reassess your atheist-bashing tendencies. that’s what’s very unhealthy–and incredibly stupid.

        • David From Canada

          “Atheist-bashing tendencies??!!” You are projecting your thoughts onto me. Your continual bashing of religion becomes tiresome.
          No matter how you try to dance around the issue, a phobe is a phobe is a phobe.
          And you are a classic religion-phobe. You need to find another, and more healthy, hobby.

          • joe ho


            asking for claims about reality to be backed up by credible evidence is not phobic.

            it seems though that you are phobic of folks who ask for that evidence.

            in your twisted world, i must also be phobic of conversion therapy, since i see no credible evidence to back it up.

  • EdmondWherever

    Please. What does he know? He’s brown!

    • EdmondWherever

      Oooh, way at the bottom. I should’ve included the “/s”.

  • Smithbc

    This is one of many reasons I cannot vote republican. No republican would or could ever say something so simple and supportive of gay and transgender youth. Even if they believed it, the vocal religious right would crucify them.

  • Ninja0980

    You will NEVER hear this come out of the mouth of someone the Republicans would appoint.
    Just another reason to vote Democrat.
    Someone like C. Everett Koop would’t be allowed to be in that position today because he actually respected science and was concerned about public health, even if some of the issues clashes with his conservative beliefs.

  • Bruno

    And that is how you respect humanity. Really, it’s pretty f’in simple when one understands what is going on.

    But oh yeah, wait…science is profane 7 letter word among xtians. Hence the reason why this country is held back time again and again and again……

  • Claude Jacques Bonhomme

    This thread is probably as good as any to post this magnificent picture of President Obama in Jamaica, where he met with LGBT youth leaders (remembering that being LGBT is still criminalized in that country).


    • Ninja0980

      (remembering that being LGBT is still criminalized in that country).
      And the fact Christians want to keep it that way.

  • JCF

    I can see exactly why the Rethuglicans blocked him for so long. [Because Murthy’s on the side of the angels—and LGBTs]


    This message should be part of every school health class. Anyone, politician or otherwise who disputes this message should publically shamed as a child abuser.

  • Guest

    THANK YOU! Now maybe you can go speak to your cousin Bobby Jindal?


    Awwwww, THANK YOU! Now maybe you can go speak to your cousin Bobby Jindal?

  • BudClark

    Here we go again … remember Dr. Joycelyn Elders and masturbation?

  • No wonder it was so hard to get him confirmed — he’s sane.