World Net Daily Stops Pretending

“America was much better off when its businesses routinely posted signs that read, ‘We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone,’ and meant it. After all, they ‘built it,’ and freedom – like the freedom of association – was universally understood to be a natural, God-given right. But now, in our more ‘enlightened’ age, freedom has been squashed in favor of special rights for protected groups, and ‘hell to pay’ for unprotected groups. LGBT groups have been effective in linking their immoral cause to the noble civil rights movement. In reality, gays never wanted equality. They wanted society to accept their sinful lifestyle, or else. LGBT groups – to be blunt – act like fascists. What’s so bad about discrimination anyway? Discrimination has always been a hallmark of freedom. The ability to discriminate is given to us by God so that we can make right choices.” – Jesse Lee Ferguson, writing for World Net Daily.

  • ScottJL

    Next they’ll want to put all the non-Christians into concentration camps! Oh wait, that’s Beck’s line..

  • Wow. Discrimination comes from God and is a hallmark of freedom. The Onion wouldn’t have gone that far.

    • David Walker

      May we assume that if there are any descendants of slavery at WND, they’re good with this?

      • Doug105

        Ask Ben Carson.

        • cleos_mom

          Ask the author of that article.

      • TreGibbs

        Also – any Jews with family nembers dating back to the early to mid 1930’s

    • Prion

      “war is peace,
      freedom is slavery discrimination,
      ignorance is strength”

      Orwell – updated by christianists

    • IamM

      By this definition of theirs the quote, “noble civil rights movement”, was also fascism. Which is it wingnuts?

    • Rambie

      Another in a long list of examples of life-imitating(trumping)-satire from the nutters.

      • vorpal

        Right-wing Christian honesty???
        Uh oh. Maybe we really ARE in the End Times.

        I’m scared, sexy studs. Hold me.

        • kevin vincent

          You could ask Lucifer for help! He has a bone to pick with over controlling deities (I swear i think the Fundies worship YHWH from SMT… Being a controlling asshole he is)

          • vorpal

            YHWH was from the original SMT, wasn’t he? I’m super sad to say that before SMT4 and SMT: Devil Survivor Overclocked, I’d never played an SMT game or SMT spinoff series game before :(.

            I’ve been listening to the soundtrack and watching gameplay videos of Nocturne online, though, and desperately want to play it… so I’m buying a PS3 later this month since I’ll need one anyway for Persona 5.

            I can’t remember if I asked you if you’re a fan of the Devil Survivor subseries. Yay for Etrian Mystery Dungeon tomorrow and the Devil Survivor 2 Break Record remake next month! This is going to be a very good year in gaming, especially with all the fantastic Atlus games coming out.

            I finally finished Persona 4 Golden a few days ago. I kept putting it off because between that last dungeon with the wonky SP effects and having to listen to more of Marie’s bad emo-poetry on every level, my desire to complete the game shut down completely.

            You playing anything interesting lately? I’m really excited to get my perverted little paws on a PS3 and a New Nintendo 3DSXL at the end of the month when I return to civilization for two weeks!

          • kevin vincent

            YHWH is the leader of the Law Alignment in SMT And Marie’s poetry is SUPOSSED too be awful I like Marie

            Never played Devil Survivor but I wanna and Persona Q was fun but qwant a PS3 also

          • vorpal

            I’m kinda… torn… on Marie. I honestly don’t know if I like her or not. She is so tsundere cute, but I wish Margaret would stop missing the trash can with those poems :D.

            I loved Rei, though… I pretty much never cry, but Rei’s story totally made me bawl.

            You should definitely check out SMT Devil Survivor 2 Record Break next month. I think it comes out May 10th? I actually finished most of the original to kill time in November while I was waiting for Persona Q, but then Atlus made the announcement about the remake, and I was like, “Goddamn it, Atlus. Again?” It was a fantastic game, although you really have to be into strategy games to like it since the main focus is on grid-based battles with demons.

            What systems do you have now?

          • kevin vincent

            Margaret is a total troll which is why I adore her lol. Top be fair Marie writes those poems for herself even if they are awful lot

            Oh god that was brutal… I mean god… Rei had one of the most depressing stories ever… I’d hug her but I’m scared of Zen :- but I loved how he grew in the last dungeon the character development was astounding! Also ZenxRei was adorable <3

            I played Fire Emblem the Sacred Stones but sounds like ba good game SMT IV was brutal… Good god!

            3DS and a PS2 I HAD a 360 but it randomly stoped reading disks

          • Cattleya1

            2 Corinthians 4:4 – Satan who is the God of this world, has blinded many… I continue to be fascinated by the huge number of xtians who don’t read the bible. It is a cinch the god the do worship doesn’t appear to intervene for them. Maybe they got it wrong?

    • Americanish

      HIV linked to age-accelerating cellular changes

      But AIDS is a manageable disease. So butt sex! After all we have Stribild, Complera and Edurant.

      Better yet we have the ACA to spread out the cost of HIV onto others.

      Beautiful world out there. Throw caution to the wind.

      • David L. Caster

        What’s your point exactly and how does it relate to this post?

        • Americanish

          Nice icon, a honey badger.

          They are pretty tough.

          They are tough enough to think they are bullet proof and get mauled by lions. It was in a documentary. Badger went into a lion enclosure and chased the lion around.

          The 2nd time he did it, he got mauled and if it wasn’t for a vet, it would have been curtains.

          Aren’t honey badgers related to weasels. Wasn’t there a story in the Daily Mail of a weasel attacking a heron and pestering it until it got eaten?

          I don’t think you would know the truth if it was in front of you and you are a pretty smart guy. You are system admin or something like that.

          What is my point? Maybe it is the attack on Memories Pizza. The owners did not go out of their way to do anything. A reporter and editor went out of their way. They went looking and looking for controversy. Finally, the reporter finds a business with a crucifix or something and goes “A HA!, I can stir some shit up!”

          This stuff is going to backfire on you.

          • David L. Caster

            Honey badgers live in pretty tough neighborhoods. One of their foods is venomous snakes. Their territoriality comes from the need to protect themselves from predators and other animals that see them as food.

            There are shit-stirrers in every movement. Some of them help advance the ball, some don’t.

            Anybody possessing even a passing acquaintance with philosophy let
            alone mathematics and logic will tell you that truth is relative and always has been. There is a difference between truth and what is so. The two notions should not be confused.

          • Americanish

            Morality has a certain flexibility to it, mainly dealing with in group & out group. Still morality is not silly putty.

            But if you think think logic is relative then try it in an engineering, mathematics or Boolean logic exam.

          • David L. Caster

            I didn’t say logic is relative. I said truth was. I can tell you don’t understand what I said.

          • Americanish

            Depends an what definition of truth you want to use.

            You could play semantic games all day long, but then you know how you vote, so it is not a shocker.

          • David L. Caster

            Speaking of playing semantic games, you seem to be doing that with the terms discrimination and discriminating elsewhere on this thread.

            Where it comes to truth, I like the variety used when comparing logical propositions—the kind involved in sound reasoning.

          • Americanish

            Like Handel on the Law says “The Law is an ASS” they can make up whatever definition they want and because of that Orwell was able to write the book 1984.

          • Ian

            Funny and ironic you should mention that quote, which was NOT coined by Handel, duh. It was made in “Oliver Twist.” The law is an ass — an idiot because it lacks real world experience and in the case of Mr. Bumble, of marriage. RFRA laws are an ass, and so are you.

          • Americanish

            Handel did not coin it, but he certainly is on the air at least once a weak for a decade and he uses every show.

            I heard Handel more over the radio then I have read this or that play.

          • Ian

            That much is clear, deary. Classic literature generally will open the mind to new concepts and ideas.

          • Americanish

            In that case read Berthold Brecht’s play Mother Courage. It is clear as mud if you a re liberal.

            Otherwise it is straightfoward and informative.

          • Ian

            You got it, doll.

          • Schlukitz

            People like Petey boy do not like to be confused by the facts.

          • Schlukitz

            So, in your torturously twisted logic, that gives Handel ownership to the quote?

            You’re a piece of work, dude.

            “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the bible” is often attributed to Sinclair Lewis.

            That does not make it fact, however.

          • Americanish

            I said:
            Like Handel on the Law says “The Law is an ASS”

            Nowhere in there did I say he was the originator. Let’s say you are alive 9 billion years from now. You will be nitpicking if someone says “The law is an ASS” and does not assign it to the author of “Oliver Twist”. That would bake you a boor.

            After reading the book “The Forgotten Man”, I have concluded Sinclair Lewis was a overwrought hack writer.

          • Schlukitz


            Obviously, you are determined to have the last word.

            Go for it. It’s yours.

          • Schlukitz

            Indeed he is playing semantic games, David.

            I posted the dual meanings of the word discrimination above.

            I am still waiting to see how he dances around that. lol

          • Polterguest

            “Morality has a certain flexibility to it.”
            That is correct. That’s why Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh can be on their fourth marriages and still claim to be moral paragons of Christianity. And all those Southern Baptists in the same situation.

            Did you know that the highest rate of divorce and remarriage is with the “born-again” “evangelical” crowd? Their “flexibility” is gross.

          • Americanish

            Rush is on his 4th marriage. His divorces were due to being overweight, being broke and married a gold digger.

            He didn’t ever intend to get divorced.

            Before we start with the fat jokes there was a gay poster here that got relentless teased and mocked for his weight. He lived in NYC. Someone mentioned if he would eat the whole buffet. Gay on gay bullying. What could be more ironic?

            Newt Gingrich:

            Not going to defend him. But people who are away form their spouse for long periods of time tend to have higher divorce rates. If i was to make a divorce model and ‘predict’ whether a person would get divorced based on several variable that is one that I would use.

            It would not hurt you to take a modeling or data mining class.

          • Schlukitz

            Oh please. Stop already with trying to make Rush look like a beleagured angel. You’ll have me in tears.

            He was also a druggie.


            But in your bizarro world, that shouldn’t be sufficient reason for a woman to want to divorce him, is it?

            He is also a homophobe who hates gay people. And you defend him?


          • Americanish

            Last time I checked they did not not get rid of alcoholics nor drug users across the board in the military. i use that as a basis to judge things, because that is part of what I know.

            They send many alcoholics to Alcohol and Drug Programs.

            They also have programs for other drug users, but that it slightly different. You have to reach out before a drug sweep or testing not the day of.

            A significant percentage of gays a drug users because of societal pressure. but if they were good at their job, I am willing to bet you would still listen to them

            One of the causes of drug abuse is self medication.

            You should read up on psychology more. You are very deficient.

          • Schlukitz

            “You are very deficient”.

            And you, of course, represent yourself as being very proficient.

            Pat yourself on the back a lot, do you?

            As as was to be expected, you limited your response only to the drug issue.

            You completely avoided Rush’s rather obvious and effusive homophobia.

            Wonder why?

          • Americanish

            Rush Limbaugh?

            You mean the guy that had Elton John at his wedding?

          • Schlukitz

            The one and the same.

            Rush Limbaugh made the point quite clearly that even a self-professed gay man is capable of being a Benedict Arnold for a price.

          • Americanish

            I don’t remember the last time you lived in tax happy England. You have not walked in those shoes.

            BTW are their photos of the wedding? I doubt it would prove your point.

          • Robincho

            “Are their photos”? You illiterate fuck.

          • MDB

            BFD ! Limbaugh is still a stinking irrational homophobic asshat !!

          • Americanish

            Remember that when some of us forget to say duck.

          • Bad Tom

            Yeah, we lost a lot of respect for Elton because of that.

          • Americanish

            Yup, you are shunning him just like some churches shun former members.

            Funny how you are so like a church. In fact there is no difference.

          • Polterguest

            Um, your word salad isn’t even on point. Have you taken your meds today?

          • Americanish

            Word salad is not giving an accurate assessment of why Rush’s previous marriage ended up in divorce.

          • grada3784

            Whatever the reason, the only Biblical out is adultery. And after divorce, any marriage at all is a Biblical “NO”.

          • Americanish

            I am so happy you have spoken for the Judaism, Roman Catholcs, Copts, the Orthodox church and protestants.

            You sir are a scholar without peer.

            I bet you read and write ancient Hebrew, Greek and Latin.

          • grada3784

            Just reading the accepted translations of the Gospels.

            If you have any argument with the translation of the verses about re-marriage after divorce being adultery, I’m sure we’d all be glad to hear about it. I’m sure Jesus of Nazareth would love to be told he was wrong too.

          • Americanish

            I am sure you love Jesus. I only saw on other guy here who did. He was gay and everyone ignored him. You don’ see him around anymore. Because gays are so well known for being tolerant and all that horsepuckey.

            You are the type of person that would tell me 6th or 7th century England was christian.

          • grada3784

            I notice you didn’t bring up a challenge to the Biblical verses I mentioned.

            As for love of Jesus, God as he is, knows whats in the hearts of each of us. Save your bluster to scare children.

            As for England, I’d have to check the history books for when Augustine arrived.

          • Americanish

            So when Augustine arrived England was Christian.

            When Islam came to Afghanistan Kafiristan, I mean Nuristan became Muslim at the same time.

            I have see a mold use by a smith that had Thor’s hammer and a cross in the same mold?

          • grada3784

            Augustine started the process. However your attempts to change the subject won’t work.

            This is it, until you get back to the adulterous behavior of divorced/re-married Christians, which is where I came in.

          • Americanish

            “Augustine started the process.”

            Error, Error, error, ….

            “This is it, until you get back to the adulterous behavior of divorced/re-married Christians”

            You think I give a pass to someone with cervical cancer when I know that a significant percentage of them are caused by viruses?

            What are you smoking?

          • grada3784


            Now tell us more about your moral relativism.

          • Americanish

            Try the book “The Northern World” edited by David M. Wilson and then get back to me.

          • grada3784

            Is he the prophet of conservative moral relativism?

            Is his commandment: “If conservatives do it, it’s okay for conservatives to do it.”

          • Americanish

            I did not know the editor’s politics when I bought the book and I do not know them now.

            Suffice it to say that moral relativism is not a topic of discussion in the book.

          • grada3784

            Since I don’t give a damn about England, that’s ok.

            The only reason I’m engaging with you is to discuss your moral relativism and your justifications for it.

            Not the red herrings you drag in to avoid it.

          • Americanish

            You still haven’t shown that you know what Christianity is or who is Christian.

          • grada3784

            My previous answer still applies. God knows who is and who isn’t.

            Siting in a church no more makes one a Christian than sitting in a garage makes one a car.

            All your red herrings and your evasions won’t change that in the slightest.Bye-bye, Pete the evasive and gutless coward.

          • Americanish

            “My previous answer still applies. God knows who is and who isn’t.

            Siting in a church no more makes one a Christian than sitting in a garage makes one a car.”

            And you want to call Newt a Christian and lambaste anyone, who even says ‘family values’.

            Well it is par for the course given your political persuasion.

            At least Newt knows that he is fucked up or at least that he is weak.

            I remember finding out about Newt’s infidelities. My father read about it on National Review and he was beet red. He was madder than Hell. Newt might be an idea guy but I have not considered him a leader (or a paragon) in decades.

            So where does that leave your strawman?

          • grada3784

            You are the one arguing for mitigating circumstances justifying divorce and re-marriage, not I.

          • Americanish

            No, I did not. I said I would not defend Newt.

            Now with Rush in the 1st 2 cases, the women filed. He did not. So it does not reflect on him. What was he going to do? Defy the courts?

            I am not sure about the 3rd case. I am pretty sure she may have filed.

          • grada3784

            Since I never mentioned a specific case, your reference to Newt isn’t valid in a discussion with me.

            Also, the gospels don’t mention that it is the person seeking the divorce is the only adulterer when they re-marry. It’s divorced persons, who re-marry that commit adultery, not just the one seeking the divorce.

            Just trying to find out why Christians who claim to believe the Bible is the literal word of God jump thru such hoops to be so inconsistent between their words and their actions.

          • Americanish

            I might be mistaken. It might be someone else on this thread that brought up Rush and Newt.

            “Also, the gospels don’t mention that it is the person seeking the divorce is the only adulterer when they re-marry. It’s divorced persons, who re-marry that commit adultery, not just the one seeking the divorce.”

            I’ll ask some rabbis and pastors about it. I am sure that you are pulling an Obama and speaking about things way above your paygrade.

            Nice Alinsky tactic. It frames you quite nicely.

          • grada3784

            Alinsky read the Bible? Alinsky and Obama asked about Christians being consistent?

            Why bother to ask when you already have decided that I’m using Alinsky tactics. Your mind is already closed.

            You might also ask about that line: “What God has joined together, let no man put asunder”; it doesn’t mean that only women can be divorce court judges.

          • Americanish

            Jesus told people not to stone an adulteress. the law was to stone adulterers. Jesus said he would fulfill Mosaic law. He did.

            If you cannot extrapolate from that example, then you are lost.

          • grada3784

            I extrapolate that to the idea that conservative groups shouldn’t be having orgasms over the thought of murdering gays and that the approximately 90% of American subject to Biblical death penalties won’t be murdered by Christian Taliban groups.

            But what does that have to do with you being closed-minded? I suspect that if you had been in that crowd, you might well have told Jesus to go peddle his papers.

          • Americanish

            This is good stuff. I did not think I would strike gold again.

            You are a funny guy.

            Let me school you.
            I have nieces and nephews who attend church twice week. they would not think if harming gays. I have a child that that is an atheist and they do not believe in turn the other cheek or anything else Christian. That is the one you have to watch out for.

            Like I said you are funny.

          • grada3784

            Which has absolutely nothing to do with conservative Christian groups calling for the murder of gays. Nor does it have anything to do with you being closed-minded. Nor does it have anything to do with the adulteries of divorced/re-married Christians.

            But I am glad you’re amused.


          • Americanish

            The churches I have been around have not called for anything like that and I have been around several.

            The Westboro Baptist Church does not qualify. It was set up by a Democrat politician and it is a family cult and not a true church. I can t think of anyone outside that family that likes it.

            Yes, you are a funny guy. Like others you think that it will be smooth sailing without religion. Some of those others also think that morality is relative. Well that will be a well engineered train wreck if you succeed in getting rid of religion and morality is relative. At that time I will have my popcorn ready. It will be fun to see you deal with what you have wrought.

          • MDB

            Some of us, actually, have and can !! Also, DIVORCE is specifically condemned by the Son of God: “Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. “Πᾶς ὁ ἀπολύων τὴν γυναῖκα αὐτοῦ καὶ γαμῶν ἑτέραν μοιχεύει, καὶ ὁ ἀπολελυμένην ἀπὸ ἀνδρὸς γαμῶν μοιχεύει.” Luke 16:18
            * Sounds pretty clear to me.

          • Americanish

            Yup, and did Rush file for the divorce ro do you want to pretend that he did?

          • Most people who marry don’t intend to get divorced until they do. Why special pleading for Rush and Gingrich. How are the strains on their marriage any worse than those on any other married couples.

            As for Gingrich, he cheated on his first two wives. He was fucking Calista in his wife’s bed while still married to #2. Stress on the marriage? Yeah, cheating will have that affect on most marriages. So will a tendency to trade in your wives for younger models every few years. See also Donald Trump.

            Talk about your relative morality. If conservatives do it, it’s okay?

          • “Talk about your relative morality. If conservatives do it, it’s okay?”

            That’s a bit too non-specific. ‘Tis more like this:

            “If conservatives do it, it’s okay for conservatives to do it.”

          • Americanish

            I think in terms of variables due to training.

            I also have a dualistic view of things due to training and religion. I see thing in terms of determinism and free will.

            So I am am making no special pleading , but I can explain things.

            “How are the strains on their marriage any worse than those on any other married couples.” You walked that dog? you are more oblivious and bullheaded than I thought

            As far as Rush’s 3rd marriage goes, I heard about it in real time.

            I specifically said I would not defend Newt.

          • And Trump? And Reagan? Should I go on? Nancy was five months pregnant when they got married. But it’s all okay because they’re Republicans, right?

            LOL and Rush’s 3rd marriage? What about the 1st and 2nd? Do people like you actually read what you write and listen to what you say?

          • Americanish

            I already covered Rush’s 1st and 2nd. Please try to keep up.

            Trump is a rich man. That about cover it.

            It is hard to be rich and it is hard to be poor. without some seasoning, I could be as big of a failure as Trump if I were rich.

          • The divorce rate is highest among the poor and lowest among the rich, so I’m not sure what being rich has to do with anything here. Either it’s moral or not. the point is that the religious right are hypocrites on this and so many other issues.

          • Americanish

            And no rich guy is not tempted to trade in for a newer model?

            Most guys would be if they could afford it, when they are younger.

          • Really? So you’re claiming that most guys would dump their wives for a younger woman if they were rich enough to attract a younger woman? No, only the douchebags like Trump and Gingrich. But interesting that you project this onto a majority. Tells us a lot about you and how you think.

          • 2karmanot

            I would add, that truth is universal, but it is reality that is relative.

          • Bad Tom

            Especially if one reference frame is translating with respect to the other. It gets worse if one of them is accelerating.

          • Polterguest

            Time for a saving throw vs. troll!!

          • Americanish

            Stuck in the late 70s or early 80s are you?

            It is well past time you grow up.

          • Polterguest

            Yeah. Um. Hey, moron, more people play games that require a 20-sided die than ever. You’re a real font of knowledge! And I totally don’t mean that.

            P.S. I know someone whose going to get blocked pretty soon!

          • Americanish

            Been blocked before.

            Last time It was on a discussion in the evil Department of Defense and military spending.

            It was amazing. i used no cuss word or slurs. I was supporting my point with a discussion of the QDR, Quadrennial Defense Review.

            But pre-DADT being lifted, the DoD was evil. Then 2 or 3 months later it was QDR, we know all about it.

            But it was pretty fucking amazing that JMG said I was a dangerous troll. Yeah, QDR is dangerous stuff. We wouldn’t want to be bitched slapped by reality now would we.

          • Polterguest

            Dangerous? Just a sad little bigot who will quickly wear out our amusement. You can only verbally slap around the congenitally stupid for so long before it gets boring.

          • Americanish

            JMG used the words “dangerous troll”.

            As to your amusement, well you don’t have much upstairs, so you would have the attention span ofa weasel.

          • MDB

            You mean they didn’t do anything OTHER THAN blatantly state that they would openly discriminate…for Jesus, because that’s what HE would want ??? Then they hide as whining little cowards instead of standing proud in their arrogant sanctimony. I guess it’s easy to be a sanctimonious COWARD for nearly a MILLION dollars !!! HYPOCRITES !!!

          • Americanish

            Did they know they would get a million dollars?

            A timeline does not fit your hypothesis.

            Did the owners of memories pizza call up to channel 57 and and say come on down, we have story for you?

            Well after a few more Washington Post or NYT editorials, you will believe that.

          • Are you the one christian gay Pete mentioned who never came back to JMG because we were all so mean to you?
            Oh that’s right, you are here everyday, along with Gene, David in Canada, and and and

          • boston11

            I agree that Memories Pizza got far more attention than they deserved. It’s some tiny business in the middle of nowhere – it doesn’t need national attention.

            However, it seems odd for you to defend their right to discriminate, while suggesting that everyone else doesn’t have the right to react to their discrimination. They want to announce that they wouldn’t serve a gay wedding, that’s fine. But they have to accept the consequences for that – that it will upset people, attract attention, and some people will choose not to go there.

          • Americanish

            Memories got attention because some leftists at channel 57 decided to stir up a shit storm.

            They succeeded.

            I will go over some basic logic for you. Channel 57 sought them out not the other way around.

          • boston11

            I understand that the media sought them out, and like I said, it really does not warrant the type of coverage it received. Not sure what your point is. Does the fact that the media sought them out make what they said okay?

          • Americanish

            Let’s be clear. You are chagrined that they were not pounded into the ground like every other business targeted by gay activists.

          • boston11

            What are you talking about? I think it was a meaningless story and I’m not sure why anyone cares what some random pizza place in the middle of nowhere thinks. I’m talking more generally – not about this specific pizza place. I’m questioning why you seem to be defending discrimination while simultaneously being against any negative reaction to discrimination. It just doesn’t make sense to argue that a business has the right to discriminate, but people don’t have the right to voice opposition to discrimination, or to choose to use their money elsewhere.

          • Americanish

            No you lost. you just do not realize it.

            You could use the same line of reasoning to argue that businesses should be forced to cater to a swingers party.

            Better consider that one carefully.

            But let me make a prediction. You will go further down the rabbit hole.

          • boston11

            I believe businesses should have the right to discriminate. I just find it odd that you are against the freedom of people to react negatively to a businesses decision to discriminate. Businesses should be able to turn away customers for whatever reason they want.. but they also have to accept the consequences for those choices. You seem to think that businesses should have the right to discriminate, but you are against people expressing disapproval and choosing to shop elsewhere because of it.

          • Americanish

            “I believe businesses should have the right to discriminate.”

            Back track, Back track, Back track

            I see you want to line up protesters like it was an abortuary.

            Of course I expect to see you right there with a sign protesting abortuaries when they find the gay gene.

            Here is a lesbian couple that supports Memories Pizza. Other than people like them I say bring it on. You picket us. We picket you.

            Gay Woman Stands Up for Christian Pizzeria, Twitter Responds


          • boston11

            How is stating an opinion that I have consistently held “backtracking”?

          • Americanish

            Your a newby to this thread. No, you did not say it, but generally people in the gay posse do say discrimination like that is bad.

      • Max_1

        who welcomes death into the world.
        Much can said about such a character and their love of humanity, or lack there of…

        • David L. Caster

          It may be Porno Pete himself.

          • Todd20036

            Well, his comment history is hidden. Hard to say either way

          • JoeNCA

            Let me make popcorn!

          • Antinousian


          • Schlukitz

            Unregistered. No comment history.

            All the hallmarks of a troll.

          • David L. Caster

            Registered, just blocked history.

          • Schlukitz

            Hmm. That’s odd. When I click on his name, a blank page comes up?

          • David L. Caster

            Roll over his avatar and select full profile from the pop-up.

          • Schlukitz


            Thank you for that tip. 🙂

          • Americanish

            Not really.

            I was the guy who posted in duplicate or triplicate several years ago. Since you have admin rights on Joe’s blog, you would edit them out. It interrupts the flow of post threads.

            You posted back asking to me to stop. It was a key board issue. I have a new keyboard now.

            If I was not Porno Pete then, then I am not porno pete now.

          • David L. Caster

            No, I am neither an editor nor moderator for this blog. I enjoy no special privileges here. You have me confused with somebody else.

          • Americanish

            You did 4 years ago or so.

          • David L. Caster

            Sorry, no, never. I have only ever been a commentator here. I have never had the power to edit or abridge the posts of anyone that comments on this blog. I may, at times, remind people of how Disqus works and can be used, but beyond that I have never had anything to do with either the mechanics nor editorial policy of JMG.

          • Americanish

            I could be mistaken, but that is what I remember.

          • David L. Caster

            You are mistaken. Thank you for acknowledging that possibility.

          • Polterguest

            Could be? I think we’ve established you mostly always are.

          • Schlukitz

            It’s obvious that the confusion is deliberate, David.

            Don’t waste your time and efforts on this idiot.

            You’re so far above that.

        • Americanish

          No, I just do not like people that try to coax others into bad habit. Like the time Joe ran a post on new male douching products.

          Some kid who thought he was gay said he thought the ideal of an accident while engaged in anal sex was pretty gross. All the other posters said was “Man up, it comes with the territory.”

          That is just one example. Then you have HIV is no biggie because there is always a pill to fix whatever trouble you might get into.

          • Todd20036

            Because blood and menses is such a turn on to most men. Right Petey?

          • Americanish

            No men generally avoid menses.

            If not because of reason of health , then due to the wishes of their partner.

          • Todd20036

            And you know this? Most people I’ve fucked are quite cleaned out too. But hey, have fun with that blood and menses thing you heteros love.

          • Americanish

            That is called a 7 to 10 day dry spell.

            But thanks for sharing the inner illogic of your brain.

      • Dan

        LaBarbera? Is that you peaking out from under your bridge to curse the pretty things of the world? Did you finally figure out how to steal wifi under there?

        • TrollopeReader

          i really hope he’s peeking, rather than peaking …. gross….

        • Americanish

          When you are subject to the laws of the universe you have to go with the flow. The less you do , the more you pay.

          For example you don;t design a plane with the profile of a Mack truck.

      • Todd20036

        That’s not exactly a peer-reviewed page. Just something called Science Daily. Still waiting for the AMA to come up with that.

        • Americanish

          If that lie lets you sleep at night, then have at it.

          • Todd20036

            What lie? I looked at the freaking page.

            It’s one researcher, with a sample size of less than 100, and the best she can come up with a “there is some evidence that there may be…”

            meanwhile, you seem to have a problem with explaining how this has anything to do with the quest for equal rights.

            It does suggest that we need Obamacare more than ever to be sure people who are HIV+ are on meds.

            Why am I feeding this stupid troll anyway?

          • Americanish

            The study gets into Science Daily and other outlets.

            You don’t think the authors will not try to get it into a peer reviewed journal?

            Or do you think everything in a peer reviewed journal is truthful?

            Maybe if it is not in a peer reviewed journal, you think it is not truth until is does get into the journal.

          • Todd20036

            Actually, what it really looks like is you desperate to find some sort of reason to discriminate against gays, and the best you can come up with is HIV meds may affect aging somewhat, since the AIDS = death argument has fallen by the wayside.
            Honestly, the discussion is gay equality, either stay on topic or go away

          • Schlukitz

            Trolls never stay on topic.

            Disruption and mayhem is their hallmark.

          • They’re psychopaths [malignant narcissists]. To them the topic is always that they’re brilliant and you’re stupid and wrong and bad.

          • Schlukitz


            As we just got that from the comment that Pete posted to David 6 minutes ago.

          • It’s almost like “guest” picked a name!

          • Schlukitz


            Our minds are running on the same track.

          • Americanish

            People discriminate every second of everyday. they do it when they shop, when they look for companions or fiends or purchase a car.

            If you are talking in legal terms, do I want to go gay bashing? No. but I do want to be on another health plan than some stupid people like yourselves.

          • David L. Caster

            In that case you might want to find a health plan that does not admit families with children or very old people.

          • Americanish

            Children have to happen and people get old.

            Gay sex, swinging and such does not have to happen.

          • Todd20036

            99% of hetero sex does not have to happen. That’s all sodomy

          • Americanish

            That is good. You should be a speaker at the 2016 Democrat Convention with a prime time speaking slot, say 7 PM.

            You should stick to your guns.

          • David L. Caster

            Well played, you rascal.

          • Americanish

            That speech would go over like a lead balloon.

            So I am all for it. Either the masses of people are stupid or the position is untenable.

          • David L. Caster

            Most likely both!

          • Americanish

            The convention response was my 2nd idea.

            My 1st one is what happens when an organism has free time, more free time than ever before.

            What happens when they are not as locked into fighting tooth and claw or gathering sustenance and not worn out early.

            They are still going to go through the motions. Last I check people were not robots and they do not behave like the borg in their tiny stasis chambers or whatever they were.

          • David L. Caster

            I think Todd was being facetious or at least flirting with irony.

            People sometimes behave and repeat memes robotically, a pattern far to common among activist wannabes and the enemies of civil rights. That seems especially true for those with small lives and limited experience with the wider world. That’s what Todd was perhaps teasing.

          • Americanish

            “a pattern far to common among activist wannabes and the enemies of civil rights. ”

            Those must be ‘dem dere’ mind numbed robots.

            OMG! I must be one of them. All that limited experience of living in Latin America as a child and visiting 5 or 7 continent s and 40 or countries, being a Prince Hall mason, of having a foreign parent and a foreign spouse. OMG! OMG!

          • David L. Caster

            Please, now you are just acting like a school girl. I was attempting to reflect a theory of mind in another person.

            As well traveled, and dare I say, worldly, as you appear to be, it would seem that you would have by now learned to simply live your life in peace and leave others to theirs. And before you accuse me of not doing that, you might take note of my tone throughout our exchanges here. I’m not an activist. I don’t even play one on TV, nor do I troll these pages to fill some psychological need for attention and pugilistically hurl ad hominem invectives at those whose opinions I disagree with. My comment history is open to be read, warts and all.

            It’s been my observation that people with small lives, and little in them of the cultural riches the world has to offer, often fill those voids by seizing on the differences between themselves and everyone else. The opposite condition also obtains, where those rich in everything the world has to offer present themselves as somehow better qualified to articulate what constitutes proper conduct in the lives of others. I suppose this just shows that stereotypes and egregious over-generalizations are useless and often counterproductive.

            Nevertheless, it is often the case that the talking points are mindlessly parroted by the easily led because they are incapable of critical thinking. It does nothing but muddle the debate and eliminate any possibility of advancing understanding or political discourse.

            The tribulations of the modern gay rights movement are not much different than what any group has endured in the fight for its civil rights. Most of the heat and light is born out of ignorant prejudice, stereotypes, misinformation, mythology, and religion—lots of religions.

            Your first remark this morning on this post related to the effect of HIV on human aging. HIV has nothing to do with most if not all of the fundamentals of the struggle that gay people have experienced on the path to recognition as first-class citizens. Gay people have indeed been singled out for persecution because of HIV, a predominantly heterosexual disease where it started in Africa, but that is a relatively recent phenomenon. Appealing to the prurient by dragging sex into the question, as is so often the case with the anti-gay industry and its mouthpieces, may titillate the masses and outrage moralizing prudes, but it does not excuse the animus towards, and the clearly evident ignorance about, the lives of typical gay people.

          • Americanish

            In Western society HIV is predominantly a gay disease. Its’ original name was gay bowel syndrome.

            “As well traveled, and dare I say, worldly, as you appear to be, it would seem that you would have by now learned to simply live your life in peace and leave others to theirs.”

            Civil Unions was that idea. Then the Human rights campaign said there were a billion million gazillion differences. People have said have government give everyone a civil union and people can go to the church of their choice for a marriage. Well your side thinks they are winning so that is a no go. So here we are.

            Take civil union from the standpoint of say someone like Walter E Williams. He thinks people should be able to sell their kidneys. His point is that people own their bodies. now that is an extreme example, but it works. Yo made your money and you you want to pass it to someone one straight or gay, that is your business. The only reason inheritance is such a bitch is that your people, progressives, got their sticky, dirty thieving hands on it. You cannot tell the difference between a feudal lord and a progressive when it comes to inheritance. There are difference between civil union marriage or people not in a union because the progressive have wrote inheritance laws with envy in mind.

            Who you see for visitation in hospitals is not my business.

            ” Appealing to the prurient by dragging sex into the question”

            Sex is a problem. It is related to healthcare among other things. The more tightly you bind everyone together with the ACA, the more they will care about your sex. The ACA is a tar baby. You helped make it. It is your baby.
            The hell of the thing is that with data bases, mandatory reporting and statistics …well everyone will know your business. They might not know it on a name basis but at a aggregate level they will know it.

            You have no idea what outrages the masses.

          • David L. Caster

            In Western society HIV is predominantly a gay disease. Its’ original name was gay bowel syndrome.

            That is certainly not technically correct, and a simple web-search would have revealed that fact. A search that considered only credible sources, such as the AMA, McGraw-Hill Manual of Colorectal Surgery, Gut (peer-reviewed journal of gastroenterology published by the BMJ), the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, and others. You are skirting close to the domain of crackpots with this lapse—not worthy of you.

            Civil Unions was that idea. Then the Human rights campaign said there were a billion million gazillion differences.

            The entire body of law related to marriage would need to be changed to confer on civil unions the some ~1,100 rights that married couples enjoy. Alternatively, civil-unions would have required a completely new body of law to imbue them with those benefits. This is the “separate but equal” thing that nobody in the gay community seeking the benefits of the connubial contract was ready to accept. Congress could not be relied on to produce that body of law and the states were rushing to bar the door. Nobody is harmed by marriage equality, and there is evidence to suggest that the legalization of same-sex marriage will actually benefit society.

            Take civil union from the standpoint of say someone like Walter E Williams. He thinks people should be able to sell their kidneys.

            That’s an interesting reference. Williams believes strongly in free market economics and opposes things like a minimum wage. He wants to believe that the market is all wise and that “Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man” which may be true in some cases but would probably just result in more of the runaway wealth concentration we have already seen.

            The only reason inheritance is such a bitch is that your people, progressives, got their sticky, dirty thieving hands on it.

            Really? Inheritance tax was designed to curtail the creation of dynasties and curb the influence and rise of robber baron industrialists. It worked, until the tax structure was changed when deregulation and tax incentives engineered by conservatives took that lid off. Now they are back, leading to the resumption of their control of much of public policy affecting those masses you are about to tell me about.

            You have no idea what outrages the masses.

            There is a lot of noise that masquerades as information. There are a lot of people that have learned how to create cash-flows for themselves stirring up the masses. They do that by distorting real information and making up lies about the rest. Then there are the willfully ignorant, those whose minds are made up and don’t want to be confused by the facts. Conservatives made their own bed and now they refuse to own up to what they produced. There is not enough truth, honor, and dedication to the needs of the people that live in this country. Idiot mouthpieces of the Tea Party, the GOP, and, yes, even the Christianists spout their lies unchallenged by a consolidated media.

            None of this is going to change until the polarization is substantially reduced and the influence of money on the political process is virtually eliminated.

          • Americanish

            I 1st read about GBS in one of the 3 national magazines (Time, Newsweek or U.S. News & world Report. Those were the standard. In the 1990s I added Insight, National Review, Foreign Affairs and a few others. but in the 1970s and 1980s it was the big 3 (which I no longer trust.

            As many gay men 2% to 3.84% of the population) that died and shifted the death statistics, a term like GBS makes sense. You see so many cases.

            Gay bowel syndrome is a medical term first used by Henry L Kazal and colleagues in 1976 to describe the various sexually transmitted perianal and rectal diseases and sexual traumas seen in Kazal’sproctology practice, which had many gay patients. – Wiki.

            Now off to Wikipedia with you to scrub it.

          • David L. Caster

            You might want to finish reading that article:

            Coined in the pre-HIV era, the term “gay bowel syndrome” comprised a rather unselective potpourri of unusual anorectal and GI symptoms experienced by homosexual males… with better understanding of the underlying causes, this term is outdated: the derogatory terminology should be abandoned and more specific entities and terms recognized and used. —ibid.

          • Americanish

            I saw that part.

            What is a doctor to do when so many young men have so many problems.

            I know what an actuary would do.

          • Americanish

            1,100 rights

            I thought it was 1,001.

            1,001 nights … 1,001 rights. Borrow that form 1,0001 Arabian Nights?

            Got to have big #s to argue.

            A society that produced 100,000 new pages of law a year could fix anything. Red Herring you have thrown.

          • David L. Caster

            The production of law requires political will. There wasn’t any that with respect to the issue, which was my point.

          • Americanish

            Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Obama had complete control of the Washington for 2 years. I guess they did not live you a long time and never will.

            Blacks are being replaced by Hispanics in Democrat political calculus. You might want to take a cue form that.

          • Americanish

            There has been more difference in wealth under Obama.

          • David L. Caster

            Correlation is not cause.

            Obama took over while the economy was in free-fall. Now it’s recovered, in spite of just about every effort by the GOP and Tea Party conservatives to force him to fail at the expense of the rest of the country.

          • Americanish

            “Correlation is not cause.’

            No it is not, but libs never seem very curious otherwise.

            Would they ask Why 5 Times?

          • David L. Caster

            Maybe, but the answer rarely changes or provokes more introspection on the part of the queried that have already made up their minds they are right—or have a political agenda.

          • Americanish

            The answer always changes. There is always stress. It is more like an active fault. the creep deep underground does not always translate to the creep at the surface. But you always get an adjustment sooner or later.

            To have a technical society, you have to have fairness.

            You should be aware of who is being fair and who is not. I think you are not.

          • David L. Caster

            Social conservatives, and most conservatives in general, should be mindful that they live in glass houses as far as fairness is concerned before they throw stones. Seems to me that since they could not win elections fairly, they had to resort to voter suppression tactics to improve their chances.

          • Americanish

            Voter ID like they have in Europe is voter suppression.

            That argument only works in a diseased mind.

            First thing that happened to me when I entered a South American country was they fingerprinted e and took a picture. I still have my alien registration card. The country must be doing something right because they are a BRIC.


          • David L. Caster

            Please, man, give me a break. Those countries had that process in place probably for decades and you were a foreign national. At least try to avoid false analogies. What kind of conservative thinker are you anyway? Nevermind, I just answered my own question. Criminy.

            Aside from the fact that there was no reason for the laws in the first place, the enactment of voter ID laws in the US transparently targets predominantly Democratic voters:

            Today, 30 states require voters to present identification to vote in federal, state and local elections. Many Americans do not have the necessary identification that these laws require, and face barriers to voting as a result. Research shows that more than 21 million Americans do not have government-issued photo identification; a disproportionate number of these Americans are low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, and elderly. Voter ID laws have the potential to deny the right to vote to thousands of registered voters who do not have, and, in many instances, cannot obtain the limited identification states accept for voting. Many of these Americans cannot afford to pay for the required documents needed to secure a government-issued photo ID. As such, these laws impede access to the polls and are at odds with the fundamental right to vote. —ACLU

          • Americanish

            Europe has voted ID. Period Full Stop.

            In South America they wanted to create documentation. In the U.S. they do not want documentation but they want to give you food stamps, ACA and all the other welfare.

          • David L. Caster

            Have you ever applied for welfare, insurance through a state or federal health exchange, or food stamps? None of that is voting. One has to jump through hoops, flaming in intensity proportional to the amount of government money involved and a lot of that is proving identity and need.

            Thankfully, I have not needed any government support in my life because I have worked since I was nine, and am a well-compensated professional. Others are not so fortunate, and some of them are virtually incapable of supporting themselves for reasons beyond their control.

          • Americanish

            Really flaming intensity?

            So all those illegals getting welfare is a lie?

            That is not what the Democrat politicians said. They denied if until 9 months ago. They said they would not be eligible for the ACA but then Shumer and the other asshats changed their tune.

          • David L. Caster

            Yeah, well, neither party seems interested in genuine immigration reform. Both Republican- and Democratic-controlled Congresses with willing executives did nothing when offered the opportunity. And just why do you suppose that’s so? Well, since many farmers and ranchers could not harvest their crops without immigrant labor, they worked to block any reform that came up by throwing money around through their lobbying groups.

            As far as the immigration mess is concerned, there is plenty of blame to go around. It’s nuts that any foreign national can come here and drop a baby and have that newborn be a US citizen. That’s broken. I don’t see a lot of conservatives running on a promise to change that.

          • Americanish

            I have gone on what you would call right wing blogs & news site. And said I could be for amnesty if they make e-verify universally required and make a border fence as good or a little better than the one they have at San Diego.

            But the Fence has to come 1st. It has to be built

            Talk Show host Michael Medved, who is prominent enough to be a guest host for Rush Limbaugh, has said amnesty should happen. This is probably news to you, because you do not go out of your echo chamber except when someone points you the way out to see something and be outraged. then you swiftly retreat back in.

            But the Democrats want it their smash mouth way. It is no fence, amnesty , “FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU” – Democrat politician, and rinse & repeat. Amnesty 3 on deck.

            My spouse was naturalized in 1995. But they did it legally and they have skills and education. I am pro-legal immigration and anti-illegal immigration.

            You guys are pro-power and pro-lies.

            My mother was naturalized in the 60s. But again she was legal. There is also that little thing about having skills

            Most of those kids that your Dear Leader Obama brought in were teenagers and many of them are gang members.

            It is noted that a father and his 2 sons were gun downed by an illegal Hispanic teenager or lower 20-something at an intersection in the bay area. This is what you are sowing with your vote. Gratz. You are a hell of guy.

          • Americanish

            Thirteen years after welfare reform, the share of immigrant-headed households (legal and illegal) with a child (under age 18) using at least one welfare program continues to be very high.


          • Americanish

            Federal health officials vowed this week to crack down on illegal immigrants who get Medicare — signaling that one part of the Obama administration believes it has authority to deny taxpayer-funded benefits going to those in the country without authorization.


          • Americanish

            Foreign election officials amazed by trust-based U.S. voting system


            Quebec, one has to establish their identity by presenting a health insurance card, a driver’s license, a Canadian passport, a certificate of Indian status or a Canadian Forces ID. These are all photos IDs.

            Germany has a community-based resident registration system and everyone eligible to vote receives a personal polling notification some weeks before the election by mail, indicating the polling station of the voter’s precinct. Voters have to present their polling notification or a piece of photo ID (identity card, passport, form of identification) when voting

          • David L. Caster

            The difference was that the US had such a trust-based system for centuries—and it worked. Then, comparatively speaking, almost overnight that was changed.

            Let me try a different tack here by asking you a question. How would you like to live in a country with compulsory voting? Would that suit your style? Should the US be like those (currently 22) countries in that respect?

          • Americanish

            We can have one without the other.

            Whether we looked to European countries or not, we would have come up with the voter ID on our own.

            I mention European countries because liberals are in awe of them. They mention European countries as if the mere mention of them ends all argument. They will opine about how backward the U.S. is compared to enlightened socialist Eurotrash.

            Shit SCOTUS judges like Buzzy opine as to how we should look outside the U.S. for law. We have hear that ripe tripe so much that I am now using it on you.

            The Europeans do it, so now bow down and worship their ways.

          • David L. Caster

            This whole sequence is rubbish and doesn’t explain or justify the sudden requirement to have a voter ID. You are deflecting and distracting from the central question. I should have called you on it immediately.

          • Americanish

            “sudden requirement ”

            Like Al Franken being voted in as Senator?

            Like Gregoire wining in Washington State by the same methods.

            ” I should have called you on it immediately.” No different than a crowd of Leftists trying to shout down a speaker at a public or private forum. or throw cream pies, shoes or sprinkles.

          • David L. Caster

            Well, let’s you and I continue to play thinkers from our respective perspectives, stay fact-based, and at least try to refrain from personal invectives and other ad hominem distractions. I’m going to read what you write and look at links to credible sources. You do the same and we can discuss them dispassionately without all the childish noise and rancor.

          • Americanish

            “I continue to play thinkers from our respective perspectives”

            Al Franken is not a thinker. He is not playing. He votes. He is 1 of 100.
            After he opened his mouth a couple of times, they took him behind the wood shed. Now he does whatever Reid or Schumer want him to do.

            A crooked machine delivered him to Washington and a crooked machine n Washington farms his vote.

            Vote fraud allows the crooked machine to be so productive.

          • David L. Caster

            At least quote me directly and with sufficient context to reflect what I said:

            Well, let’s you and I continue to play thinkers from our respective perspectives….

            That isn’t saying Franken is a thinker. I’m suggesting you and I act like thinkers. And if you had read the links I sent you, you would have noted that the central premise of this subthread, which was the incidence of voter fraud and whether voter IDs were justified because of it, you would realize that they weren’t. And even if they should be required anyway, the way the laws were rolled out were discriminatory and resulted in the disenfranchisement of far more voters than the votes that were ever fraudulently cast. And what is the party of most if not all of the governors of those states that enacted those laws? Crooked machine indeed!

          • Americanish

            ” incidence of voter fraud”

            If you don’t measure it , it is hard to get a number, which is precisely the point. It is what Democrat lawmakers want. They want the number unknown or nebulous . that way they can demagogue the issue.

            Then you have the putz Eric Holder who tells Florida not to bounce the social security death rolls against the sate vote rolls. About that time it is real clear what the Democrats are up to. That say goes against my training in Quality (Deming) and programming.

            Crooked machine indeed!

          • David L. Caster

            Nevertheless, you have not refuted my point regarding disenfranchisement of specific groups. I’ve already shown that the salient effect of the enactment of Voter ID laws has clearly resulted in the disenfranchisement of groups that typically vote Democratic. That was not an accident, and indeed was calculated to have the effect it would on a closely divided electorate.

            This issue is complex and goes beyond merely creating voter IDs. If the integrity of elections is in doubt, then Congress should act and pass a federal law mandating the standards that must be held, allowing sufficient time for all jurisdictions and ultimately voters to come into compliance.

            Some reasonably balanced coverage of the issue can be found here and in the contained links. Please present evidence that the failure to report and study the problem can be laid at the feet of either party in particular.

          • Americanish

            “I’ve already shown that the salient effect of the enactment of Voter ID laws has clearly resulted in the disenfranchisement of groups that typically vote Democratic.”

            So hard to get a legitimate ID! SO HARD!

            Why I saw guards at the doors to the DMV. I talked to some of them and they had orders to to turn away minorities! Or maybe that was a Lefty independent film I watched.

          • David L. Caster

            Well, that’s nonsense again. Try to stay on topic and discuss the facts plainly. And stop presuming to know the totality of my politics or the extent of my knowledge about anything. Act like a thinker and then write coherent thoughts that can be examined. Face the issues at hand and debate them plainly without all the finger pointing and taunts. Anything else makes one look childish and immature. You aren’t one of those.

          • Americanish

            So Buzzy Gisnsberg did not opine that she wanted to look past the constitution and incorporate foreign law?

          • David L. Caster
          • Americanish

            “Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg defended the use of foreign law by American judges”

          • David L. Caster

            As a reference, like any other piece of legal literature, in the sense that the action of foreign courts not be confused with a legally binding precedent of US law. Read, man, and comprehend!

          • Americanish

            “I would not look to the U.S. Constitution, if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012,”


            Her intent was clear. The connotation was clear. her future course is clear.

          • Americanish

            “I would not look to the U.S. Constitution, if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012,” -Buzzy

            Dear Buzzy was talking to the lovable and adorable Muslim Brotherhood.

            You deserve the Muslims Bortherhood and a idiot- savant like Buzzy

          • David L. Caster

            And with good reason. The Constitution, as effective as it has been, is in serious need of updating for the modern world. The Founders did an admirable job for their time in history, but time has moved on since September 17, 1787. The sometimes ambiguous character of the constitution they forged is making it increasingly difficult to make law that actually upholds the ideals of the United States in the modern world.

            RBG is a justice of the highest court in the US, and she is charged, like her fellow justices, with the almost daily problem of interpreting the constitution in the light of today, some 228 years after it was ratified. I would trust her point of view reflects the complexity of that job and her long experience doing it. However, I believe that conservatives and even some progressives are reading too much into her remarks.

            Here is perhaps an informative discussion and goes directly to the RBG comments.

          • Americanish

            Daily problems of interpreting English.

            The daily problems of trying to bend, flex, and shape the constitution like it were a vine or some other growing plant.

            After reading Das Kapital (or other crap) in college, a good person would have to try to bend the Constitution to their will.

            “In line with her comments, a new study has found that fewer and fewer nations are modeling their constitutions after ours.”

            With 57 Muslim states out of 195 countries I could see where fewer and fewer were modeling after ours. Throw in some Bolshevik states and your typical Lefty will go “SEE! See!”.

            The Constitution is about logic. Logic & facts do not change. The Pythagorean theorem has not changed, because 2,000 or so years have passed.

            Someone like Buzzy could screw up an ISO 9000 (or its’ replacement) document for an organization.

          • Todd20036

            Sodomy is any coitus not for the explicit purpose of making babies.
            Sorry Petey, but sex for pleasure, any kind of sex, is a no-no in your fairytale.
            Yes that includes oral, or “unnecessary” coitus.
            Sucks to be you.

          • Americanish

            the RC has already covered that one. You should try again.

            Really though you need a to be on Prime time TV at the Democrat National convention.

            If you do get a slot, I will make sure to have some popcorn.

          • David L. Caster

            Nevertheless, most of the high-cost users of insurance are the elderly. In addition to being anti-gay, you appear to be ageist and anti-family when you start using insurance premiums as a prop for your arguments.

            See, for instance: Healthcare Cost and Utilization Project (HCUP)

          • Americanish

            I take the Asian view of things when it comes to children and aging. they go hand in glove. There is no anti-anything there.

          • David L. Caster

            Then I suggest you refrain from being an armchair actuary.

          • Americanish

            I have actually taken actuarial tests and have the education for it. Have you done the same?

            I think that maybe you do not know Asian culture or several points are just going to go over your head.

          • Schlukitz

            And exactly what are your qualifications for intepreting an Asian point of view?

            Do you live in Asia?

          • Americanish

            Well 1st off a PhD is not enough. You also need post doctoral training in several fields of study. The common has no hope of understanding the inscrutable Asian mind!

            Never mind the fact that there are scores of ethnicities in Asia.

            Would I have to live in Asia?

            Might I be an Asian american. read of book, have Asian friends , be married to an Asian, …

            Please play agian.

          • Schlukitz

            I am, in fact married to an Asian and have first-hand information as to the thinking of Asian people.

            And you have what as proof of your beliefs?

          • Americanish

            Now that is funny!

          • Schlukitz

            My being married to a Philipino is funny to you?


          • Americanish

            No it is not the Phillipino part.

            Well maybe it is. Got t be careful with vowels.

          • Schlukitz

            And as a part-time Philipine resident, I would like to know what your point is?

            Are you going to try to tell us that there is no anti-gay sentiment in Asia?

          • Americanish

            The association of children and aging should have given it away.

          • Schlukitz

            Could you be more precise, please?

            I am not certain that I understand the direction you seem to trying to take here?

          • Americanish

            I am not into giving out to much metadata.

          • Schlukitz

            Especially when you don’t seem to have any data to give out.

          • Americanish

            Asian culture is well known.

          • Schlukitz

            “Gay sex does not have to happen”???

            You’ve just blown your cover, dude.

            You’re just another self-hating, gay apologist.

            And, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you are gay.

          • Americanish

            I say ‘gay sex is unnecessary’ and that makes me gay or closet case?

            You have a logical Boolean proof or this is just something that you know a priori?

          • Schlukitz

            Frankly, I don’t know WTF you are? And I am wondering if you even know WTF you are?

            Stating that “gay sex is unnecessary” is as ludicrous as stating that “heterosexual sex is unnecessary” or that “eating is unecessary”.

            And WTF does algebra have to do with any of this???

          • Americanish

            So you have no logical proof other than you are horny and you need to stick it in something.

          • Schlukitz

            Fuck you, asshole.

            That is not even a logical response to my comment.

          • Americanish

            It was “Another Steve”,a poster here, who said “In the dark a hole is hole”

            What is a reader suppose to take about the gay lifestyle when they read that?

            You remember steve?

          • Schlukitz

            Another-Steve is a Christian apologist asshole.

            You both share much in common.

          • Americanish

            I have not seen his writing in 3 or 4 years. But he never struck me as Christian nor as a Christian apologist.

            The only person I identified as Christian had a post icon showing a stained glass cross in gay flag colors. Everyone ignored him. It must have been that proverbial gay tolerance and open mindedness.

          • Americanish

            I was waiting for the scientific/boolean proof.

            I guess the proof is hiding in the same place as the elusive gay gene.

          • Schlukitz

            Up your Booley.

          • Americanish

            No proof then.

          • Schlukitz

            “People discriminate ever second of everyday.”

            That is most disingenuous of you, Sir.

            The word discrimination has a double meaning.





            the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

            “victims of racial discrimination”

            synonyms:prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favoritism,one-sidedness, partisanship; More


            recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

            “discrimination between right and wrong”

            Definition 2, does not justify definition 1.

          • Americanish

            If Memories Pizza owner had an attached gas station and said they would not sell to gay drivers, I would have a problem. If they said they would not sell pizza to someone who walked in, I would have a problem.

            The owners not wanting to cater to a gay wedding, is not something I have a problem with.

            We are not here to affirm your values.

          • Schlukitz

            “We are not here to affirm your values”

            Spoken just like the Religious Reich.

            Nor, are we here to affirm your values.

            Do you own and operate a florist shop, a bakery, an inn or a pizzeria, incidentally? You seem to be in good company with folks like Baronelle and her ilk.

            Thank you for showing your true heterosexist colors. It explains a lot of your bullshit.

          • Americanish

            They are drawing the line at a religious ceremony, which is not the same thing as needing gas to get down the road.

          • canoebum

            Science Daily? You mean that faux-science website that’s packed with so many spybots, web beacons and tracking cookies that you put you PC’s health at risk just visiting it? That Science Daily?

          • Americanish

            I suppose you have a link to substantiate your point.

          • canoebum

            You don’t really believe they make their money posting science articles, do you? You’re quite naive.

          • Americanish

            Google and Facebook track you.

            Analytics is not the same thing as draining your bank account.

            Your point?

          • Americanish

            Science Daily is an American news website for topical science articles. It features articles on a wide variety of science topics including: astronomy, exoplanets,computer science, nanotechnology, medicine, psychology, sociology, anthropology, biology, geology, climate, space, physics, mathematics, chemistry,archeology, paleontology, and others.

            The website was founded in 1995 by science writer Dan Hogan.[2] The articles are selected from news releases submitted by universities and other research institutions. Some articles are written by Science Daily staff. The site is updated once daily, although more new articles are added during a given weekday than on the weekend. Users can subscribe to a free daily newsletter distributed by email, which contains links to all articles for the day and a short introduction to each article.

            In 2011, Quantcast listed it as a top 653 site with 2,000,000+ U.S. people visiting per month and this being 60% of all visitors

            Source: wiki

            Looks like a real bad place.

          • canoebum

            Yeah, and its packed with spybots, web beacons and tracking cookies.

          • Americanish

            You are repeating yourself. You provided no substantiation.

          • Schlukitz

            Becasue they are so gosh-darned good at baiting us with disingenuous comments that we feel the need to put straight.

      • wait, is this really Porno Pete! Or just a Poe.

        • Bad Tom

          I think he’s a poorly written Perl script.

      • vorpal

        OH MAI GAWD U GUYS! We’re all going to die!

        Good thing that Pete told us: otherwise, we would never have known that our lives are finite!

        • Americanish

          Big difference in satisfaction if the car you drive off the lot dies at 20,000, 100,000 or 200,000 miles.

          • vorpal

            Lots of cars are particularly careful about who changes their oil, and therefore don’t have the motor problems you describe in your previous post. Thus, buttsex indeed! Lots of it.

          • Americanish

            Critical failure, you just lopped off your own head.

          • vorpal

            Critical failure: comma splice and a complete descent into blithering, illogical retardation. I’m guessing you’re a Christian? That would explain it.

          • Americanish

            I have not studied grammar in over 34 years. It is probably time to go back and I will at some point.

            But answer me this. why should i when there are so many people that are perfectly happy to be innumerate and vote Democrat?

            BTW your post was a critical failure.

          • vorpal

            And your left buttock is a green goldfish named Frank who suffers from deep seated (har, har!) paranoia.

            Gosh, Pete: maybe you’re on to something! Making idiotic and entirely unsubstantiated claims is kind of fun!

            I’m entirely unsurprised to see that you’re content wallowing in your own ignorance. Some of actually remember what a comma splice is from elementary school because we didn’t get our learnins edjumacashun from the home “schools.”

            It’s okay. Don’t feel bad, cupcake. I’m sure that you’re good at other things… probably.

          • Americanish

            I never went to a home school except to learn one foreign language.

            But that was after school and my mother was a certified teacher in the subject, who graduated from a ‘normal school’

          • vorpal

            Well, isn’t that fancy? You can stupid in two languages, then!

            Since you’re such a big boy, we’ll let you graduate from crayons to magic markers. Now, now… that’s NOT what they’re for, Pete.

          • Americanish

            So you lose the home school slight and you move straight in for your next ad hominem attack.

            How very gay.

          • vorpal

            Nonono… see, an ad hominem attack is a logical fallacy consisting of using insults in a debate or rebuttal to an argument in order to attempt to discredit someone.

            Here’s an example for you.

            Ad hominem: Pete, your point is invalid because clearly you’re a drooling idiot.

            Not an ad hominem: Pete, clearly you’re a drooling idiot.

            Since you didn’t have a point in the first place, my loving little banter with you falls into the “not an ad hominem” category, i.e. it’s just a plain old vanilla insult. You are under no obligation to like it: I’m talking at you for my own amusement.

          • vorpal

            Also, I would rather have a car that dies at 100,000 miles that I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of owning, as opposed to a car that makes it to 200,000 but I’m too scared to ever appreciate fully.

          • Americanish

            Live fast, die young, leave a pretty corpse.

            Yup, your nihilistic gay philosophy makes sense.

          • vorpal

            Sorry that your brain only works in black and white. The rest of us enjoy a much more nuanced range of colours.

          • Americanish

            Yeah, sooner or later we could work Fido in there and have even more colors.

            See his tail is wagging that means he is consenting.

          • vorpal

            I’m sure there are forums out there for folks who lust after bestiality. This isn’t one of them, so take your Fido fetish elsewhere, buckaroo.

            Man… you decided to forego the comma splice this time and just jam two clauses together in a complete mish-mash of stupid. You no English well. I’m guessing you probably don’t speak any other languages, either. If you can’t even gain a basic mastery of a single language, my good man, then maybe you should leave the discussion to the big boys and girls and go colour nicely in the corner.

            Cue the pedophilia joke, Pete, and at least try to make it funny, please. Don’t disappoint me.

          • Americanish

            “Lots of cars are particularly careful about who changes their oil, and therefore don’t have the motor problems you describe in your previous post. Thus, buttsex indeed! Lots of it.”

            That looked like word salad to me.

            The Fido comment follows from your black & white comments and other things gays have said.

          • vorpal

            I just ran (drove?) with your metaphor. I thought it was fairly clear what I meant, i.e. if you are careful and discerning, the likelihood of contracting HIV is quite low. Neither I nor my husband of 11 years have ever had an STI, and barring some incredibly bizarre turn of events, never will.

            Furthermore, properly medicated HIV doesn’t particularly reduce life expectancy in most cases these days, and will never turn into AIDS.

            As for my comment re: 100,000 miles versus 200,000 miles, I enjoy my life very much. I – like many other people – have some bad habits such as loving fatty carbs, but I try to offset those with moderate amounts of exercise and a fairly healthy diet most of the time.

            I’m not going to run around exercising and eating broccoli all day while hoping to live to see my hundredth birthday.

          • Americanish

            Except in my analogy, the cars were not anthropomorphized.

          • vorpal

            My sincerest apologies for violating your analogical purity. No, really, I feel tireable, like I carn’t go on until I shift gears, and do my best to use some engineuity to steer towards earning your forgiveness.

          • Americanish

            “but I try to offset those with moderate amounts of exercise and a fairly healthy diet most of the time.”

            You should by more indulgences from your church.

          • vorpal

            Church? LOL. Sorry, Sweety Petey, but I stopped playing an elaborate game of make believe at the age of 22.

            If the “indulgences” was deliberately intended to be a play on words, good one :-).

          • Americanish

            The indulgence would be for eating too many fatty foods, using energy,and all the usual Leftists sins that you must atone for.

            You could be like Saint Gore and buy indulgences while living like a potentate.

          • vorpal

            There’s no such thing as sin any more than there are woodland elves that dance through the forest at night.

            I hear your boyfriend, Ted Cruz, calling. Don’t let me keep you.

          • Americanish

            Sin and morality go hand in hand. you might want to rethink your position.

          • vorpal

            Sin is defined as the violation of the will – as dictated by primitive iron age people – of the imaginary Abrahamic god Yahweh.

            What about that remotely suggests morality to you, out of curiosity?

          • Americanish

            There is such a thing as morality. Morality involves right and wrong. If there is right and wrong there is sin.

            Asa a neurobiologists or primatologists if there is such a thing as morality.

          • vorpal

            Sure, there’s such a thing as morality, but it’s a function of culture and time and exists only in the minds of humans and the systems that we have implemented, and has no objective representation.

            Most social animals have certain principles that they largely follow to maintain harmony in the social order, as that is in the best interests of both the individual and the collective.

            If you want to go throwing silly concepts of a god, divine judgment, and an eternal afterlife on top of that, be my guest, but don’t expect the rest of us to play along or grant your elaborate game of make-believe any validity or respect.

          • Americanish

            “Sure, there’s such a thing as morality, but it’s a function of culture and time and exists only in the minds of humans and the systems that we have implemented, and has no objective representation.”

            there you go. Now you know why you are lost.

            I already discussed the objectivity of morality in this post thread with David Castor.

            There was a neurobiolgoist or ethicist who was interviewed by discover magazine or SCIAM. It has been nearly 10 years so I forget the exact mag. Otherwise I would point you to the article.

          • vorpal

            Ermm… except for the fact that I’m not lost. I know precisely where I am and what I am doing, and never suggested anything to the contrary that would lead you to such a ridiculous claim.

            Thanks for the handwaving. Yes, clearly based on that solid and thoroughly demonstrative evidence, you have convinced me of the validity of your claim that morality is somehow objective, when I think it is quite clear that anyone who investigates the intersection of human morals across culture and time will find the result to be a set that is almost certainly empty or close to it.

          • Americanish

            No, you are lost.

            You are so lost you are a case study.

            You are eminently quotable.

          • vorpal

            And you are a hummingbird’s leftmost toe.

            If you’re going to make claims, provide reasons for them. I’m willing to bet, Princess Pete, that my life is eminently more successful than yours. If you want to have an intelligence and / or success pissing competition, do be a lamb and let me know.

    • JoeNCA

      So are they asking to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that makes it illegal to discriminate against Christians?

      Or is that a privilege for them and no one else?

      • Schlukitz

        You’ve answered your own question, my friend.

      • Ian

        Apparently, some of the commenters are advocating that. Makes you wonder, oh wait, no it doesnt at all.

      • If you’ve been reading between the lines, conservatives have been making this argument for years. not overtly because they know better, and in rare cases when they do (Rand Paul a couple of years ago) they have to do multiple media appearances to roll back what they said without really rolling it back.

  • Gest2016

    Dear WND, did you hear about this thing called Democracy? Our forefathers invented it to keep people like you from power.

    “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    WND: Wannabe Nazi Dodos

    • Rocketeer500

      The Dodo became extincted? Oh wait, I see what you did…

      • David Walker

        Perhaps Dildos would also be appropriate.

        • Jamie_Johnson

          That’s an insult to dildos everywhere. And besides, dildos serve an actual purpose, whereas WND…

          • Christopher

            Well WND kinda serves a purpose.

            Someone has to set the bar for crazy.

            The problem is the Conservatives keep raising the bar!

  • AW

    OMG. Is this the Onion version of the website? This just seems too unbelievable to be true that they would actually say this (even if they actually mean it).

    • Schlukitz

      Just like gays, the haters are finally coming out of the closet.

  • 2karmanot

    Well, me thinks that God freaks have a god given right to be crucified and should get on with it as soon as possible.

  • Giant Monster Gamera

    Because if there is anything fascists are knows for, it’s their commitment to tolerance.

  • Dale Snyder

    WND Next up: It’s perfectly fine to discriminate against christians.

    Oh wait….

  • sherman

    God needs to hire a different P.R. firm.

  • Michael Smith

    “America was much better off when its businesses routinely posted signs that read, ‘We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”

    They still have those signs. They’re meant to warn assholes that they don’t have to put up with you. It has nothing to do with discrimination.

    • lymis

      Also, “better off” for who?

      Even if your point wasn’t valid and the idea wasn’t that individuals are expected to behave courteously, it’s still all about the presumption that the majority not only gets special treatment but also gets to declare who gets singled out for discrimination.

      I guarantee you he wouldn’t think the country was better off in the good old days if he saw himself as someone likely to be among those turned away simply for existing and daring to want to buy something.

      • Schlukitz

        Thank you for pointing out the obvious to Michael Smith.

  • and WND’s fans and contributors hope to drive their own kids to suicide because Closeted-Homosexual Funerals are cheaper than Openly Gay Weddings.

  • penpal

    Taxpayers in this country service private businesses through the use of public roads, delivery infrastructure, code compliance criteria, police and fire protection, financial protections, an educated work force, and countless other public services that they most certainly did NOT build on their own. For them to take the position that they can take our tax dollars and then discriminate against the very people who are helping to keep their doors open and operating safely is as selfish and hypocritical as it gets.

    • BearEyes

      They’re too myopic to see the connection. I’ve got mine, screw you, and all that.

    • sherman

      The problem I have with that argument is that private organizations also use public infrastructure, and they can choose who can join. And churches.

    • Steve

      My brother is a Republican. He does not believe that any success he’s had has anything to do with the society he lives in. He truly believes he has lifted himself up by his bootstraps. He also believes that his failures (3 business and 1 personal bankruptcy) are the fault of others or because of events that were out of his control.

      The problem is that Republicans are completely immune to logic and facts, especially when it comes to themselves.

  • geoffalnutt

    Sorry. There is no God and “Sin is an imaginary disease invented to sell you an imaginary cure.” Now, let’s start again. You hate who and why?

    • Larry Ft Pierce

      G, there do exist things that are “sins” because they are inappropriate behaviors for a civilized society. Of course, calling them “sins” empowers the goddites, but many people know the difference between “right and wrong;” the word “sin” is an escalation to addict us to a “church,” a “god,” a doctrine, etc

  • Rebecca Gardner

    These sorts of attitudes are how Hitler type leaders rise to power.

    Yes, I know Godwin’s Law. No, it does not apply to this comment. 🙂

    • Schlukitz

      What is happening right here in the good ole US of A, is precisely what was happening in pre-World War II Germany.

      And, just like then, no one paid it any mind or lifted a finger to stop it.

      Hitler considered Jews as vermin to be exterminated and the Religious Reich in American consider LGBT people as vermin to be exterminated as well.

      Sadly, as of late, we hear far too many people calling for our criminalization, incarceration and execution.

      • Rebecca Gardner

        It is scary.

        Reichstag Fire : 9/11
        Enabling Act : Patriot Act
        Jews : Muslims and LGBT
        Nazi Party : TeaParty

        • Schlukitz

          Excellent correlations.

      • GreatLakeSailor

        There’s a mini-series floating around, “The Rise of the Nazi Party” (aka Nazis: Evolution of Evil). The first 5 or so episodes (out of 10 epies total) detail the methods of how the Nazis gained power. Very worth watching.

        • Schlukitz

          Thank you for that heads up.

          I’ll definitely check it out.

          PS: Just ordered it from Amazon. Again, my thanks for the recommendtion.

  • Baltimatt

    Too bad I’m blocked from that filthy rag.

    • Robincho

      Really? Consider yourself lucky…

    • TrollopeReader

      there’s always there “[email protected]” email!

    • GayOldLady

      I think we’re all blocked. Just my name spelled my doom

      • Emma Duncan

        I was blocked for telling them, that no matter how much they tried, fellating the corpse,St. rapist/Reagan is not coming back…

        • 2karmanot

          That’s because one of the family members threw a clove of garlic in the casket just before burial.

    • Schlukitz

      Wear the “Blocked from WND” badge proudly.

    • Polterguest

      Me too!

    • Ginger Snap

      I’m not but I haven’t the stomach to go there.

  • Baltimatt

    Does he really want to go back to the days of segregation?

    • David Walker

      Jesse Ferguson. Sounds white, so yeah, probably wouldn’t say “no.”

      • Baltimatt

        He’s black. His picture goes with the article.

        • David Walker

          Srsly? OMG.

          • Max_1

            He’s the Ken Mehlman of Black WND.

      • johncAtl

        Joe has the name wrong … it’s Jesse Lee Peterson. And he’s not white.

        • David Walker

          Yeah, I saw. Amazing, huh? Maybe even frightening.

          • johncAtl

            Everything on WND is frightening.

    • Schlukitz

      Well, not segregation for blacks…just the gays.

  • MikeBx2

    Hey, I sort of agree. If you’re going to be a bigot, make a sign. Display it proudly. Own it. :/

  • kcken

    Wow. Just wow.

  • MarkOH

    Whites only
    Juden verboten
    No Irish need apply

    Great company to be associated with, WND.

  • JalapeñoBusiness

    If anyone has a pic of a train wreck jumping a shark, now would be a perfect time to post it.

  • penpal

    It was only 70 years ago that Good Christians were putting up “No Jews” signs in businesses all across Europe. That’s what these freedom-hating ‘baggers aspire to.

  • Paula

    How soon before they talk about second amendment options?

    • Dreaming Vertebrate

      Well they are already working on their Sodomite Suppression Law.

      • David Walker

        And Iowa now allows blind people to get gun permits.

        • Dreaming Vertebrate

          What could possibly go wrong!

        • clay

          Kansas already does, so does Wisconsin.

      • PeterC

        Do you mean that we “do not welcome travelers or guests?

    • clay

      Kansas just passed a law that allows unlicensed concealed carry.

      • Paula

        A couple of states already allow that.

        • Baltimatt

          Including that bastion of right-wing nuttery, Vermont.

      • Schlukitz

        Yes. I saw that the other day.

    • Schlukitz

      Be patient. It’s coming.

  • Sam_Handwich

    Isn’t that essentially what everyone in the clown car said last week?

    • Robincho

      Yeah, but beause of the red bulbs on their noses, they sound all nasal-y, so maybe some folks didn’t get it…

    • Schlukitz

      Mike Pence lied his ass off.

  • Blake Jordan

    Have they been emboldened by the successful fundraiser for the hate pizzeria?
    It is not the start of a trend, and a direct push for bigotry will do more good for our side than their’s.

    • Schlukitz

      Yes. They are emboldened by every advance in discrimination that takes place in the public venue.

  • Dreaming Vertebrate

    Bigot’s Law of Batshittery
    Batshittery B is inversely proportional to time T remaining before SCOTUS decision in favor of marriage equality; or B=a/T, where a is a constant.
    Expect the batshittery, as T approaches zero, to become infinite.

  • Gustav2

    They don’t seem to get it do they? I don’t want or need their acceptance, I really don’t care. I just want my wedding pizza!

    • Ginger Snap

      So do they do fancy braided crust for a wedding pizza or is it just like the rest of the ones they sell?

  • Boy Elvis

    It’s so cute how he thinks calling the civil rights movement “noble” undercuts his clear animus for anything not white, Christian, male, and heterosexual.

    • Cuberly

      The comments over there during the Furguson protests where appalling. Tending to blame Obama for a post racial failure and at the same time they posted the most cringe inducing racist shit I’d seen in years.


      • Max_1

        Like Obama forced them to print their racist rants…

        • Cuberly

          The compliance metric that minorities MUST aspire to to convince the racists that they’re just like….well…the racists.

          I still don’t understand it.

        • Antinousian

          Thanks, Obama.

        • Queequeg

          Don’t you know that Obama is simultaneously as powerful as a god and a hopeless weakling?

          • grada3784

            In other words, just like us.

          • Queequeg

            Except that he’s not a homofascist, just a scary mixed race guy who is also a racist. Not sure how that works.

    • Queequeg

      And heterosexual.

    • Gayskeptic

      I noticed that too! The Civil Rights movement was AGAINST discrimination… and then they ask “what’s wrong with” it? This piece of “journalistic” turd is wrong in so many levels and not even wrong on others.

  • Eric Hufford

    they have more in common with facism than we do

    One common definition of fascism focuses on three concepts: the fascist negations of anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism; nationalist authoritarian goals of creating a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture; and a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership

    Fascism is commonly described as far right on the political spectrum, although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult.
    Fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational. A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things. Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views.

    • clay

      strong-arm populism at the service of business

  • Forrest

    When the word sinful shows up, the entire article is based on a false premise

  • Tom Cotner

    Finally they are telling the truth about how they feel.
    Bigotry reigns supreme – to hear them tell it.

    • clay

      Well, only about queers. In one sentence they call it “the noble civil rights movement”, while earlier hearkening back to a time when “businesses routinely posted signs that read, ‘We reserve the right to refuse service”.

    • Herald

      They are at least being at least partially honest. I am sure many of them would discriminate against many other minorities if they could get away with it.

  • JW Swift

    “World Net Daily”, proudly attempting to drag our country back to the 19th Century.

    • teeveedub

      You’re giving them way too much credit. I think maybe the late 1400s would be more accurate, around the time of the start of Spanish Inquisition.

      • JW Swift

        But, “nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!”
        (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

        • NZArtist

          That’s okay. It was expected.

        • Ginger Snap

          And you knew this was going to be posted next.

          • JW Swift

            Yep. I had already “earwormed” myself with it by the time I finished posting my own comment!

        • teeveedub

          I kinda knew that somebody would go there. 😛

        • geoffalnutt

          Thank Heavens for this comfy chair!

  • Robincho

    How timely and appropriate that this douchebag is surnamed Ferguson.

    • TrollopeReader

      actually, it is “Peterson”

  • SunsetGay

    Next they’ll say “a little bit of fascism never hurt anybody.”

  • TrollopeReader

    Well, that man must’ve cozied up to ol’ Simon Legree in an earlier life …. and I would imagine he doesn’t celebrate MLK day or Black History Month.

    He’s trying so hard, he’s almost a parody of himself.

    And I guess any center-right person who supports gay rights is actually a “leftist” in his definition (he even italicizes that young Republicans are in favor of gay rights and marriage, because, well, that’s just wrong.)

    (of course, WND, being super-duper right wing, won’t allow any of *our * comments, so once again, we see their *discrimination* immediately.

  • We already had this discussion. We are not going to have UNTOUCHABLES in America.
    I absolutely support public accomodation civil rights law.
    I would go to WND and tell them in person but I am banned for saying things like the above.

  • Mark

    NO Blacks.
    NO Jews.
    NO Gays.

    There but for the grace of God go they.

    • Ginger Snap

      The best Disco song ever.

  • Sporkfighter

    They don’t want a democracy, nor a republic. They want a dictatorship of the living ruled by the dead.

    • Schlukitz

      + 1,000

      Well said.

  • Jordan E. Spivack

    To “be discriminating” and to “discriminate against” are two distinctly different things. A gay citizen having the same rights and privileges as other citizens who already have these rights shows discrimination against no one. A straight citizen refusing service to a gay citizen shows direct discrimination against the gay citizen. Then there is being discriminating by choosing to hang out with other citizens you like, because they think like you do, dress like you do, believe like you do, are bigots like you are – go right ahead. But when you use that bigotry to deny another citizen’s rights, that’s when you’re discriminating against. These pseudo-Christians have gotten away with their indiscriminate discriminating against for far too long, and they don’t like having to give up what they thought was their sole dominion. Well, too bad – change is happening, and we’re not going back into the closet.

    • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

      I see this, as atrocious as the article is, to be a very good thing. If a rag as extremist as WND has dropped the charade of religious liberty and attempting to ‘own’ the label of discriminatory, rebranding it to something positive, then they’ve lost the argument that these laws aren’t about discrimination. That’s all the public really needs to hear, is one side saying “these laws *are* about discrimination, it’s just a good kind!” the second part of that sentence will bounce right off their ears.

      • TrollopeReader

        The upcoming Louisiana law will (if passed) specifically allow anti-gay discrimination.

        The Georgia law that didn’t get to the floor, also would have before being revised. The main sponsor pulled the bill after lgbt protections were added, and he table the bill, saying (in so many words) that what was the point, if he couldn’t have fun discriminating…..

  • LonelyLiberal

    Bitch, please.

    No, really. That’s all it deserves. These are not the arguments of serious people. Legal argle-bargle.

  • Max_1

    Of course I’m blocked there…

    Who did Jesus say we should refuse service to?

    I thought the deeply held convictions of Jesus was to serve all who enter.
    Why was he so wrong?
    According to you, some should be denied.
    Have you informed your Christ of these revelations, yet?
    What do you think he’ll say about these “truths” you revealed?
    Of course, the only people Jesus condemned to hell were the gatekeepers themselves…

    • TrollopeReader

      send your comment to [email protected] !!

    • 2amor

      Max, I am not banned yet! So I cut, pasted and posted what you wrote.

      • Max_1


  • StevenMN

    I still see those signs (We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone) I’ve not given them a second thought thinking that if you’re drunk, belligerent or an asshole you can be bounced out on your ass. No doubt the WND crazies would fall into the last two categories.

  • Christophe

    Anti-gay Christianity is the original “Special Interest Group” with absolutely NO talent for DISTINGUISHING between right and wrong, smearing everyone they can with their slander and bull such as Joe posted. They are well-known obsessive compulsive ~liars~ and cannot be trusted in positions of civil authority…because they are simply incapable of telling the truth.

    • robirob

      Lying for Jesus (and your own self serving agenda).

  • I went to the site for the 1st time and read the comments. They are such an oppressed group of tearful Xtians. My heart bleeds for them having to endure the constant oppression and persecution from the evil gays.

  • David Walker

    Well, so much for assumptions. He’s black and advocates a return to the good old days of discrimination. Just…fucking…amazing. Does he realize that he could be a field Negro rather than a house Negro? Does he prefer segregated restrooms. I can’t even imagine how fucked up this guy is.

    • robirob

      It’s the very popular “I got mine. Fuck the rest.” attitude.

      • Schlukitz


    • Schlukitz

      Sadly, Peterson’s views reflect the views of many Baptist Bible Blacks, especially here in the south.

      One would think that having gone through this shit themselves, and not so long ago, would have opened their eyes to just how wrong discrimination is.

      There are none so blind, as those who refuse to see.

      • David Walker

        Or maybe he’s not old enough to remember. Or maybe he was an orphan and was adopted by Klansmen.

  • millers3888

    I’d say MOST people in this country whether you are religious or not, does not approve of discriminating against gay people. That said, I’d say a good portion does not agree with how Memories Pizza was handled either. Now people like the above can spew that nonsense, and it makes some sense to people. I say we leave the religious be. If they try and pass laws to discriminate, the public will not be on their side. Tammy Bruce, who I NEVER read much less LISTEN to, actually made a worthwhile point: “Americans don’t like bullies. This issue transcends faith, race, sexual preference and economic status. We are a romantic people; we like underdogs and those who succeed despite the odds. The “live and let live” sentiment is in our DNA. Yes, we expect fairness and as a nation continue to grow and change. But we become a better country not under the heel of a boot, but by expanding our sense of decency and inclusion.”
    I watched the video with the Memories Pizza girl, and is THAT worth the bad publicity? She was not Westboro Baptist Church crazy. I know I’m in the minority here….

    • Max_1

      Tammy Bruce defends the Religious Freedom to discriminate and any LGBT people who fight it are the bullies she’s referring to… The boot of LGBT freedom.

      • millers3888

        Again, I don’t listen to her but I am trying to be open minded here. I’m gay but theres more to me than that. It’s legal to get married in Indiana and the public was mostly on our side regarding RFRA. Then Memories Pizza happened… Now it seems people are very in the middle about this issue, wasn’t so before..

        • TrollopeReader

          and we have absolutely zero proof of any of the supposed nasty calls, threats, etc.

          Oftimes, the easiest way to garner media support (on either side) is to claim threats, death threats, arson, etc . ….and no one ever investigates the truth.

          • millers3888

            Doesn’t matter if they were real. The story is out there and WE look bad. I remember someone posting on Twitter “First business denies gay people” referring to Memories Pizza. That was NOT accurate, and it doesn’t matter if you’re gay straight religious or not. It simply was not accurate.

          • Schlukitz

            Thank you for your gay apologist viewpoint.

            Are you related to Ken Mehlman?

          • Schlukitz

            Absolutely. When was the last time that we heard of an arrest, prosecution and conviction of a supposed gay person who made a death threat against a Christian?

            Pictures…or it didn’t happen.

        • Schlukitz

          It was a scam from the get go designed to garner sympathy for the bigots and haters.

          • millers3888

            But it worked!

          • Schlukitz

            Mike Pence’s horrible new RFRA law “worked” too.

            But, that doesn’t make it right.

          • millers3888

            We had it changed and most people agreed with us on that. I am not disagreeing with you, but I disagree with a business having to shut down after saying what that girl said. Again, this wasn’t Westboro Baptist Church “God hates f*gs” talk.

          • Schlukitz

            There are nasty “Fuck the gays” comments and then there are the nice “Fuck the gays” comments.

            One is no less potent than the other.

            And, with the use of the words we and us, may I assume that you are expressing a heterosexual pov?

    • robirob

      “I watched the video with the Memories Pizza girl, and is THAT worth the
      bad publicity? She was not Westboro Baptist Church crazy. I know I’m in
      the minority here….”

      That’s part of the bigot scheme where they parade these “nice” people around (like the “nice” grey haired grandma florist) who get bullied for their religious beliefs. The bigots planned that the general public would go “Aw, these are nice people and these overzealous gays are such bullies for going after these nice people who are just standing up for their faith”.

      • millers3888

        I don’t look at her and think BIGOT!!! I look at her like a middle American Christian. Muslims believe the same things. I’m not going to call a Muslim a bigot because they won’t serve a gay wedding. Not serving gay people in general is something I do not support that many on the right are using with the “freedom of association” argument. I don’t agree with that, but I really am not lying awake at night thinking about Christian bakeries refusing gay weddings.

        • robirob

          Does that mean you’ll only start caring when they come after you in particular?

          • millers3888

            It’s not that I don’t care. I care very much about gay people who are discriminated against in their place of work or when trying to find housing etc. But at the same time, no I don’t care that a Christian florist might tell me they won’t arrange the flowers for my wedding. I really don’t. They won’t get my money. I wouldn’t expect anything more from an ultra-religious Muslim or Jew.

          • robirob

            “”But at the same time, no I don’t care that a Christian florist might
            tell me they won’t arrange the flowers for my wedding. I really don’t.
            They won’t get my money.´”

            But would you care if the very same law that allows the florist to deny members of the LGBT community flowers is used to deny gays and lesbians medical treatment in hospital? You think this isn’t the kind of thing bigots would go for next as soon they have a “foot in the door” so to speak?

          • millers3888

            Again, I don’t think a majority of Americans would allow that to go on without public outrage. People are more in favor of homosexuality than religion these days. However sending death threats to the doctor wouldn’t do us any good.

          • Schlukitz

            You really are hung-up on this “death threats” from gays shit without empirical evidence, aren’t you?

            “Going after the little old Mom and Pop pizzeria joint for uttering a sentence just doesn’t look good.”

            And, little old Mom and Pop pizzeria joints, inns, florists, etc., going after the gays, who have done absolutely nothing to them, doesn’t look good either.

            Let’s remember where the hatred came from in the first place, shall we?

          • one of the problems with your argument is that it ignores history. you sound like someone confident even if you’re denied a service, you have lots of options. but some aren’t like you, and don’t.

            we’ve seen how this “oh, it’s no big deal. go somewhere else” really works. for women in need of abortion, for the poor in need of heath care or quality foods. rich women and sick people have choice. poor women and sick people end up being refused abortion b/c all they have in their area are catholic hospitals. and sick people die and/or suffer needlessly because gawd wants it that way.

            those are just two examples out of many i can name.

          • millers3888

            I only speak for myself. I am not trying to diminish our history
            or what has been justified in the name of religion, but I just can’t bring
            myself to care about the florist or baker. Again, I’d rather go the Obama-Putin route and hit them where it really hurts (their wallet). But what you wrote should be what we are articulating. These laws hurt society as a whole. Going after the little old Mom and Pop pizzeria joint for uttering a sentence just doesn’t look good.

          • Schlukitz
          • Schlukitz
          • Schlukitz

            Then you clearly do not understand the meaning of the word discrimination




            the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

            “victims of racial discrimination”

            synonyms:prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favoritism,one-sidedness, partisanship;

          • millers3888

            Okay well then you can keep fighting the fight against the handful of pizzerias and bakeries who won’t serve a gay wedding and drive the public towards siding with the religious.

          • William

            The whole pizzeria thing was a stunt by a failing business making a last gasp and declaring themselves martyrs. They shut down and got a bunch of free money. I hope they pay off all their debts before going out and buying shiny objects with the money.

          • millers3888

            But it was more than a stunt. The conservatives are using this to their advantage.

          • William

            And the pizza folks are laughing at the suckers all the way to the bank.

          • millers3888

            Oh I bet you see them at the RNC this year.

          • William

            Just as long as people keep sending money.

          • Schlukitz

            Count on it.

          • yup. In Germany it started with separate tram cars.

        • Schlukitz

          You probably didn’t lose much sleep over blacks not being able to vote or marry a white person either.

      • BudClark

        Cottonelle is a STONE COLD BITCH. Don’t let the persecuted grandma act fool you.

  • bkmn

    Almost surprised they didn’t have their house black Dr. Ben Carson draft this.

    • TrollopeReader

      well, since this dude *is* black…..

  • 2amor

    I went to the site and posted this: What is wrong with discrimination? Written by a man of color! More christian love! I actually got 2 up votes…

    • Max_1

      It’s a DICKus comment board… I can vote you up, but I’m blocked form posting… Someone has responded to you comment over there… “Leave him alone, he’s one of ours.”

      Well, the up votes don’t stick either.

      • TrollopeReader

        and if you’re blocked, your up-arrow disappears if you reload. Not Disqus’ fault, but the cowardice of WND for their settings ….

    • Max_1

      Thanks… I especially will enjoy the bigots who respond.
      “It’s never when WE do it in the name of Jesus…” vomit!

  • Ninja0980

    Have to slightly disagree with ya on this one Joe.
    They didn’t have to stop pretending because they made it clear from the start they had nothing but complete and utter contempt for us.

    • robirob

      Of course it was clear, but these bigots were all smug in a “aren’t we clever how we fool the general public by claiming it’s not about discrimination but religous freedom and fags wanting to have more rights than everybody else?” kind of way.

  • noni

    “But now, in our more ‘enlightened’ age, freedom has been squashed in favor of special rights for protected groups, and ‘hell to pay’ for unprotected groups.”

    I guess he’s talking about Christians having special rights and everyone else has “hell to pay”.

    • Max_1

      Nope, he’s lamenting his BLACK history…
      … Wondering why they were set free, allowed to vote, and allowed at the lunch counter or anywhere on a bus.

  • James

    What really annoys me about shit like this is that they either don’t know or are deliberately distorting what “fascism” means, and it’s a dangerous thing when terms like that start to lose all meaning.

  • another_steve

    WND’s commentary is a good thing for us at this junction. A very good thing.

    The pro-marriage equality attorneys preparing their arguments for the Supreme Court hearing later this month can quote verbatim from it.

    It perfectly illustrates the animus at the heart of the anti-equality movement.

  • KnownDonorDad

    I applaud them for admitting what they really object to: the concept behind the Civil Rights Act. I see this from fundamentalists and Ayn Rand fanboys alike.

  • 2amor

    In the WND header…

    • KnownDonorDad

      That’s real? If so, that’s as clever as WND has ever gotten.

  • TJay229

    Written by a Black man…?! :-/

    As Khalid Abdul Muhammad said ” many of us by the way we act.. We’ve even lost our minds”

  • bill

    OMG…….and I have been taught by the best…….
    On my mothers side (her father), “they came over in the 1600’s” and my dear Grandparent was one of the BIGGEST RASCIST and BIGOTS, that I have been introduced to me. YET……..he sometimes mentioned the years in the early 1900’s where “Wanted Ads” and such like them, stated “Irish need not apply, nor Catholics”.
    Incredible…these people, and why am I continually surprised.
    Only goes to prove, History does indeed repeat itself.
    Dummy me.

  • Antinousian

    So, the first time I clicked over the article’s author’s name is Ferguson, and the second time I click over the author’s name is now Peterson, and there’s a picture of a black guy next to the name. Did this happen to anyone else?

    • Octavio

      There be surreptitious forces at work. Beware.

  • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

    They were pretending before? Not very well.

  • Ginger Snap

    I feel filthy after reading this. It’s just pure disgusting hatred.

  • Bj Lincoln

    FUCK THAT! Discrimination is NOT the hallmark of freedom! It is wrong ALL the time! NO ONE IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!

    • Schlukitz

      + 1,000

  • Queequeg

    Damn those special rights, like being able to eat in a restaurant, ride on the front of the bus, order a cake, or buy flowers. Where will it all end? Before you know it, people will be able to rent an apartment they want, or even get a job. This is not the America of WND.

  • amati1684

    We all know that the favorite pastime of conservatives is making love to the past, but must they take us back to the 30s?

  • Reasonoverhate

    A black man wrote this??? By all means let’s go back to Mississippi 1950 and see how he likes it….

  • jimbo65

    Here’s a thought. If you haters that own businesses want to freely discriminate against me, a law abiding, TAX PAYER. Whose TAXES go towards building the roads and infrastructure that went into giving you the ability to operate your establishment of hate. Then maybe I should be exempt from having to pay taxes. But that’ll never happen. My money is just as green when it comes to the tax issue; but that apparently is where my rights end.

  • Galvestonian

    Awwww comeon…you can still discriminate, you can still hate, you can still be a bigot, be a hater & do any thing you damn well want to … just not in public or at me, on me or against me. Scream yourself silly at home or in private, bitch in church or in one of your local covens but not in public or at me, on me or against me. You still have your “religious liberty” – your freedom to hate, be a bigot or be a hater & practice whatever the hell you want to …just not in public or at me, on me or against me.

    You can call it whatever you want to — but it’s certainly not Christianity nor is it religion. It’s Civil Rights and we’re not going to take your crap anymore.

  • Oscarlating Wildely

    Someone really should release those lions soon.

  • Gordon.

    Here they go with, “Special Rights,” again. EQUAL RIGHTS ARE NOT SPECIAL RIGHTS. Fool.

  • fiona64

    It bothers me that I am no longer shocked when I see something like this from the “Who Would Jesus Hate” crowd. 🙁

    • Octavio

      More like “Who would Jesse (Helms) hate?”

  • Help wanted. Irish need not apply.

    *sigh* the “good old days” which sucked for almost everyone.

    Thanks but no thanks.

  • zhera

    Oh, how they wish they could come out and say that they want to discriminate against black people as well. Too bad, suckers, progress is stronger than you and in the not so distant future it will be just as unacceptable with homophobia.

    • Schlukitz

      The current inroads that the haters are making with establishing discrimination as a viable law to use against gays, may well take that direction in the not too distant future.

      Were it put to a vote, I have no doubt that a huge percentage of American citizens would be all too willing to put blacks back in chains and prohbit interracial marriage yet once again.

      One has to remember that these are the folks who think that our nation was based on Christianity and that they are the ones who built this nation.

  • DutchBoy74

    Just remember the wayback machine and internet archive for any sudden “deletions” and for historical prosperity.

    Thank Joe My God hitting the top of Google searches as well. 🙂

  • Kissmagrits

    I find myself confounded by the widespread usage of the term “fascist” where it doesn’t even apply.

    How many ignorant commentators check the political ramifications of the world’s original fascists – Mussolini, Franco and Adolph Hitler? And why do we allow them to pull this pejorative out of their ass and use it without knowing what it means?

    I’m beyond weary of listening to anti-intellectual Christianists and GOP whores who manufacture fear, confusion and anger with their inflammatory word salads.

  • anne marie in philly

    “what’s wrong with discrimination”? EVERYTHING, you assholes!

  • DesertSun59

    “Discrimination has always been a hallmark of freedom. The ability to
    discriminate is given to us by God so that we can make right choices.”

    And there you go. Just present your argument as being sanctioned by ‘god’ and you have a ‘case’. This particular argument is absolutely no different from all of the other targets of discrimination from the 20th century. Just argue ‘God’s will’ and you have backers.

  • kaydenpat

    How can you praise the Civil Rights movement and defend discrimination as a virtue? Deranged.

  • Happy_Housewife

    God, these people are such drama queens. Newsflash: You can still refuse service to anyone. You just need a legitimate reason.

    • William

      I saw this sign in a diner once:
      We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone.

      • Schlukitz

        Great play on words.

  • Michael

    Talk about doublespeak! Calling others “fascists” while you bemoan your inability to discriminate and persecute them. The evil mantra continues: Discrimination is freedom….discrimination is freedom….

  • “Sinful” lifestyle? Sinful “lifestyle?” The lifestyle of a married couple is sinful? And what, exactly is sinful about it when the couple is gay or lesbian, or where one or both of the spouses is trans?

    Anal rape is condemned in Leviticus and was apparently so shameful for the victim that death for both the rapist and the victim was mandated. And the NT took a dim view of religious drunken orgies, and pedophilia.

    But the bible also has a same sex marriage in 1 Sam. 18:3 and there is the centurion and his boyfriend, where Jesus healed the boyfriend.

    If one’s heretical religious faith says that gay is sinful, then that faith calls on the believer to not have a same-sex relationship. But don’t judge others who don’t believe as you do. And don’t discriminate against us, either.

  • cleos_mom

    Most far-fetched defense ever:

    The caterer at a wedding is indeed part of the wedding, not a vendor, because “in the mind of the caterer, they ARE a participant. YOU don’t have the right to tell them otherwise.”

    I’m a 60-something 125-pound woman who’s basically built like a dumpling. In my mind I’m a ballerina, and I demand a stage and an audience.

  • NMNative

    There you go. Simple, precise and to the point; my god says it’s not only OK to discriminate, it’s the right thing to do. At least this guy tells you his truth without mincing any words. He hates gays, his god hates gays and if you want to go to heaven, you’ll hate gays too. I appreciate an honest man, even if he’s a complete bat shit lunatic. At least you know where he stands.

  • JAV

    What an idiot.

  • bdsmjack

    Go to the back of the bus.