From Today’s Charlotte Observer

“Do you enjoy the freedom to live according to your conscience without being forced to promote ideas or behaviors contrary to your convictions? Do you believe men should be prohibited from using women’s restrooms? Should a gay T-shirt maker be forced to create anti-gay marriage T-shirts? Should a Muslim baker be mandated to make a gay wedding cake? That’s exactly what this ordinance will do if passed. There are two obvious and disturbing common sense aspects to this provision. First, by allowing transgendered males to enter women’s restrooms our City is forcing all women, including mothers and daughters, to be put in uncomfortable situations in the privacy of bathrooms, locker and shower rooms.

“Second, it opens the door for male heterosexual predators to pose as women under the guise of being transgender. Remember, being transgendered is a psychological state of mind that anyone can claim, no matter what clothes they wear. From Los Angeles, Milwaukee and Olympia, Wash., there are real examples of heterosexual men dressing like women and entering women’s rooms with intent to commit crimes. Historically, civil rights have never been provided to protect behaviors or psychological states of mind.” – David Benham, in an op-ed published today by the Charlotte Observer. Benham and his brother have organized a hate rally to take place tomorrow outside of the chamber of the Charlotte City Council.

  • Mark

    What a maroon…..

  • delk

    If this ordinance is passed, humans will be forced to serve as arm chairs.

    • Bad Tom

      That is, of course, an actual sexual kink.
      Just google…
      No, never mind.

  • Eebadee-eebadee-thatsallfolks

    It’s all about the cake, ’bout the cake
    No strudels
    It’s all about the cake, ’bout tbe cake
    No cobblers
    It’s all about the cake, yeah

    The really surprising thing to me in all of this was finding out how many [conservative religious] straight people baked. Who knew?

  • vorpal

    I’m not sure where they get this idea that men will pretend to be transgendered in order to get into women’s bathrooms / change rooms and commit sex crimes. If a man was intent on committing a crime in the first place, he would not be concerned with the legality of his actions and thus almost certainly at present will not have any qualms about simply strolling into a woman’s changing room or restroom and committing said crime.

    Changing laws to allow transgendered people into the bathroom of the gender with which they identify will not change that, and as many of these transgender people are not differentiable on the surface from the gender with which they identify, no one is likely to even know. It is probably already happening everywhere as is.

    This is just a fear mongering attempt to elicit anti-LGBT sentiment.

    • teeveedub

      +1000

    • Jim Detwiler

      And… an creating a criteria that effectively denies ANY bathroom facilities to the transgendered.

      • marshlc

        I would assume that this is the point.

        The reasoning (if I can call it that) being something like “If we make it hard for them to do this silly thing they are only doing for attention, they’ll stop and we never have to think about their ickyness ever again”.

        • Joseph Miceli

          Or it is the same “reasoning” behind what they do to us. “If we punish and torture them for being gay there’ll be fewer icky gays doing the anal sechs.”
          So far, neither strategy seems to be working for them. Gee, I wonder why?

          • marshlc

            Some of it is the essential lack of empathy that is necessary in order to be a rightwinger – they don’t really believe that there are people in the world who aren’t just like them. So poor people are only poor because they are lazy, and gay people are only gay because they are showing off, and atheism is just another kind of religion….

            And, of course, trans folk are just pretending, in order to get into a bathroom….

          • Joseph Miceli

            I’ve always sort of joked…but not really…that there are three rules of conservatism;
            1. Have no shame
            2. Have no empathy
            3. Have no sense of humor
            …except number 3 should be “have a stilted and crude sense of humor stemming from the humiliation of others.”
            They really are deficient in empathy. Tell them to try and see life from the viewpoint of a poor woman, a pregnant teen, a rape victim, a jobless person, a retiree on a fixed income…and you get a thousand and one excuses and ridiculous declarations of what they’d do if they were in that position. The lack of empathy is really their defining characteristic.

    • Alan S. Lee

      And only fools will fall for it!

      • Herald

        Sadly, there are many, many fools out there!

      • His target audience is filled with fools, so they will all believe the vile hate he is spewing.

      • There are a LOT of fools. I have heard people parrotting this focus-group-tested (like it’s an accident that they’re all using word for word the same talking points?) line of attack.

    • guest

      Agreed.

      I also think with new construction, the law should make it so that the building must have a men’s room, a women’s room and a Gender neutral room, with the totals of the rooms being as they are required now for the men’s rooms and women’s rooms.

      Why? Because it would make everyone happy, and society is a compromise. I did not state I agree with the right, it is just an easy solution for all.

      • Latner

        It’s not a huge deal to simply include one “one-holer” bathroom that is gender-neutral in every (new) building. I’ve never understand why “one-holers” are marked Men or Women in the first place; only one person at a time uses them.

    • STOP BEING LOGICAL.

      • vorpal

        Sorry. Bad habit of mine :(.

        • Bad Tom

          Also compassionate and empathetic.

          • vorpal

            Awww… thanks, Tom! Your comment was the perfect ending to my evening!
            =big gay hugs=

        • OrliJoe in Fla

          live long and prosper

    • Anastasia Beaverhousen

      It comes from the same people that believe man/dog marriage is on the way.

      • BlueberriesForMe

        I’m sure Frothy Mix will be bringing that up yet again when he “runs” once more for elected office. After all, it’s one of his many trademarks.

      • Ginger Snap

        I almost married a dog once. Thankfully I found out he was cheating on me 😉

        • OrliJoe in Fla

          ^^FTW^^

    • JoeNCA

      I’m wondering, when he says “by allowing transgendered males to enter women’s restrooms our City,” isn’t he -requiring- that transgendered men (those who were born female and now transitioned or transitioning to men) to use the women’s room, and therefore -he- is the one forcing all women, including mothers and daughters, to be put in uncomfortable situations in the privacy of bathrooms, locker and shower rooms?

      • Strepsi

        Great point! Christians are sooooo OBSESSSSED with anal sex that they usually forget that lesbians and F-to-M transsexuals exist.

    • Osowoofy

      But think about it …. they’re feeding on fears and misconceptions of transgendered people. You can’t really fight “illogic” with logic. At some point you have to get down on their level, as well as keep the moral high ground.

    • vorpal

      Flying Spaghetti Monster, these right wingers are fucking crazy. Like literally insane. Take a look at this, guys:

      http://barbwire.com/2015/02/28/1100-satan-and-the-glbt-demons-part-1/

      • guest

        Ever notice these right wing sites have a ton more ads and crap pop ups than any normal site? That religion and right political leaning sure seems like a cover for unregulated capitalism and “screw you, I want mine.”

      • Kara Connor

        It’s actually quite heartening to see the haters reveal their total lunacy. I love it when these are the people opposing equality. Makes it so much easier.

      • Cuberly

        Holy shit-balls, that was insane. The commentors where even worse.

        Reminds me of my long ago former college roommates staying up all night debating their game of Dungeons and Dragons……it was so annoying. And the amount of energy they spent on their make-believe, sheesh. But at least they knew it was a game. Compared to the wack-jobs debating demons and satan and flaming people that disagree with them. ARGH!

      • Joseph Miceli

        No…no…that was awesome! I want to see what perils Pauline stumbles into next!
        Actually, I have a feeling the biggest peril this gurl had was not being able to get the childproof cap off the Thorazine bottle.

    • David Walker

      The more I hear this one the other things we supposedly do or want to do, the more I think these dooooooshes are projecting. They know they have to lie about us, so they fall back on their own “imaginations.” Hmmmm. “I’ve sometimes thought it would be fun to dress up like a woman and rape a woman in a public toilet. I know that’s not good, so let’s say it’s what the fags will do if we give them rights.” “But gay men aren’t attracted to women.” “Doesn’t matter. Our base will believe anyone. You know the other thing I sometimes fantasize? Fucking a dog, you know, like Old Yeller or Lassie or even Eddie…you know, on ‘Frasier’?”

      • Ginger Snap

        It’s exactly what it is.

      • Joseph Miceli

        When you look at their world view it is no surprise. To them people are, at their core, debased, degraded and perverse. Only the love of God keeps them from behaving immorally. Only the fear of God prevents them from stealing, killing, raping and torturing for pleasure. Now, we atheists don’t need fear of some stupid sky bogeyman to make us behave like moral human beings living in a society by rules. These fundamentalists simply will not believe that is possible because it undermines their faith. A moral, happy gay person living a productive life and loved by others is an affront to their world view and they must prove that that happiness is a lie, or they must destroy it.

        • David L. Caster

          This is the kind of truth that undoes the evil magic of mind control.

          • Joseph Miceli

            It really is evil, isn’t it. To make people believe that they are intrinsically disordered and that only they have the cure. Nope, this boy ain’t buying that snake oil!

    • David Ehrenstein

      Self=loathing closet queens have weird fascination with public bathrooms. That’s where they have sex and they’re terrified they’ll be caught there like Larry Craig.

    • guest

      I think that people who look like men in female drag, who don’t pass as female, make everybody uncomfortable. This will not change. Trannies are ruining it for everybody, the anti-gay crowd will use them against us like they did NAMBLA to link us to pedophia. OK you can all start screaming at me now, but you know it is true. No woman wants to be in a bathroom with a male appearing tranny.

    • giddypony

      It also punishes non gender conforming chicken s women by having have to “prove” their gender to random people.

    • Joseph Miceli

      But he said that there were examples of men all over the place pretending to be transgendered, dressing as women, and invading women’s rest rooms with the intent to commit crimes.
      Still waiting for him to back that up.
      Waiting….waiting….
      (taps foot, sighs)

  • Six Pins Delores

    “Should a gay T-shirt maker be forced to create anti-gay marriage T-shirts?”
    OK, I’ll bite. Has this happened yet?

    • Sam_Handwich

      it’s a false analogy anyway

      for example, no one asked Cottonelle to make an anti-heterosexual flower arrangement. they asked for the same thing any other customer would, but were refused based on who they are. ditto with Sweet Cakes

      • Six Pins Delores

        Why the fuck am I not getting what you and TommyTune have said when I mostly
        agree with you both. Double face palm.

    • RJ Tremor

      The cake person that refused to put anti-gay slogans on a cake but offered to show the client how to letter the cake happened, and the client screamed “oppression!”…

    • TommyTune

      It’s a sneaky question but the answer is YES. If you are paid to make tee shirts then you make the damn tee shirt no matter what it says if you want to collect a paycheck, or else you quit your job and get another one.

      • Six Pins Delores

        TommyTune, why is this a sneaky question?

        • TommyTune

          Because they’re trying to cast gay people as the “victim” in this scenario (i.e. like them, “victimized” by being “forced” to do their job.) This deceptively gives the appearance of legitimacy to their argument.

      • Goodboy

        I think that’s a grey area. It’s akin to asking a black tee shirt maker to produce tee shirts for the KKK with a picture of a black man in a noose as their avatar.

    • Ted.OR

      Verbatim from the CustomInk “User Agreement & Policies” page on their website (I just chose this as an example, since their ads are on tv a lot):

      “Additionally, CustomInk.com has the sole discretion to reject any order that it considers libelous, defamatory, obscene, profane (according to standards established by the FCC), portraying irresponsible use of alcohol or other substances, advocating persecution based on gender, age, race, religion, disability or national origin, containing explicit sexual content or is otherwise inappropriate for CustomInk.com production.

      You agree to not use CustomInk.com’s Service to create any material that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another’s privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable, or that infringes on any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights of any third party.”

      • People4Humanity

        So releasing my proprietary Polonium™ Poison® recipe / graphic would’t be tolerated?

        • Ted.OR

          Go to a Christian t-shirt maker and tell them it is a “Collection Of Universal Crosses In Honor Of The Lord”. Then they will do it.

      • Six Pins Delores

        So I guess CustomInc.com stands lawfully. Again, has this happened yet?

    • Goodboy

      Does staging a fake event count?

  • mcThinker

    Hey, it’s freak time! Listen, the empire is collapsing and to be quite frank with y’all, there’s nothing that can or will stop it. My suggestion; just find a nice safe place somewhere for you and your family and enjoy the show. Grow a garden and whatever else makes you happy.

  • SunsetGay

    In this man’s mind, there is no oven too big for the faggots.

    • And he’ll stoke the oven with trans ladies.

      • vorpal

        I don’t think they have the slightest clue what a transwoman is. They simply think they’re either gay perverts pretending to be women or men who want to pretend to be women to rape their wives and daughters, and thus must be punished at all costs. Again, LGBT people are dehumanized and reduced to sex acts.

        • Exactly. A trans MAN would not be using the WOMEN’S restroom. That stuck out at me when I was reading his bullshit.

  • shellback

    “Do you enjoy the freedom to live according to your conscience without being forced to promote ideas or behaviors contrary to your convictions?”

    Yes I do. Now, take your primitive superstitious beliefs and shove them up your ass – if there’s any room.

    • anne marie in philly

      FUCK YEAH!

    • MarkOH

      EXACTLY

    • agcons

      He might have some trouble getting them past his ears.

      • Six Pins Delores

        LOL!

    • Jeffrey

      It is a common conservative plan of attack these days to take the exact opposite approach to what they really mean. You nailed it perfectly. They said the exact opposite of what they want to do because even they know that their stance is untenable.

  • another_steve

    yum yum yum dreamy yum yum dreamy…oh…did he say something? 🙂

    I would like to lick his eyes and neck and then put him out on my compost pile to rot.

    • RaygunsGoZap

      you call your cock your compost pile? lol

    • oikos

      You think hate is dreamy? Well ok.

  • Jerry

    Look out for jihadist John and ISIS
    response. Remember days of
    hippies? Love, peace and flower
    children? Absolutely intoxicating idea.

  • Blake Jordan

    We have to pay taxes, but religious establishments / organisational do not.
    So we are paying for the police, firemen, etcetera that also service these “people” that are out to destroy our lives.

  • Sam_Handwich

    “Historically, civil rights have never been provided to protect behaviors or psychological states of mind.”

    What are religion and its practice other than behaviors based on state of mind?

    • Steverino

      Exactly. It’s funny how culturally and psychologically self-centered people like this have zero capacity for self-examination and awareness.

    • GayOldLady

      Great Point Sam

    • JoeNCA

      Um, and interracial behaviors?

  • Richard Rush

    “Second, it opens the door for male heterosexual predators to pose as women under the guise of being transgender. Remember, being transgendered is a psychological state of mind that anyone can claim, no matter what clothes they wear.”

    So-called religious-freedom-protection-acts open the door for bigoted predators to pose as religious under the guise of being TrueChristian . . . all in order to receive the special religious exemptions from anti-discrimination laws. Remember, being TrueChristian is a psychological state of mind that anyone can claim, no matter what clothes they wear.

  • JJS_prime

    “From Los Angeles, Milwaukee and Olympia, Wash., there are real examples of heterosexual men dressing like women and entering women’s rooms with intent to commit crimes. Historically, civil rights have never been provided to protect behaviors or psychological states of mind.”

    Documentation or it’s a big fat lie.

    • Herald

      Right, where is the evidence for this. I cannot recall any example of this happening. Total lying to stir up fear and hate.

      • Jim Detwiler

        There was a recent incident at Olympia, Washington’s Evergreen State College where an anatomical man who’s been “living as a woman since 2008” used a women’s sauna occupied at the time by a visiting high school girl’s sports team. http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/transgender-woman-told-leave-womens-locker-room/nSWT4/#__federated=1
        It was barely a news story and settled amicably on both sides (an alternative sauna was made available) but it gets referenced by the right as an example of regular occurrence instead of a single and isolated incident. Meanwhile, serious issues of sexual assault on this and other campuses go under-reported…

        • GayOldLady

          Another fact that proves they’re grasping at straws to marginalize people that they ABHOR.

          • Jm detwiler

            Since none of the consequences they’ve predicted have come to pass – regarding gay marriage and EVERYTHING else – they’re reduced to falsifying an emerging post-equality record that’s proving those predictions shamefully prejudiced and bigoted. More and more people of good will come to understand that every time the Benham’s and their ilk advertise – our net gain, in my opinion.

          • Nothing they predict ever happens and yet the mainstream media continues to let them spew the next round of ridiculously unfounded “predictions”.

          • Jim Detwiler

            That’s the role of journalism in the exercise of free speech and public debate, which they’re losing. I see the spew from what’s left of a shrinking minority of anti-gay/LGBTQ activists as component to their own defeat in this robust, public debate. I understand the temptation to try silencing an increasingly unpopular viewpoint, but that won’t help us get to the goal line any sooner than just letting them show how ill-willed and dishonest they really are. Still think its a net gain for us, bring it on.

          • It’s not “silencing” someone to call them out when they are flat out lying. When they are on your tv program making up sources or citing studies that have long been debunked it is morally irresponsible to let those lies go out unchallenged and it happens in our media every fucking day.

          • Jim Detwiler

            Of course they sometimes go unchallenged, just like everyone else who states opinion in the media. Rebuttal and setting the record straight doesn’t always occur after every comment (like it does in comment sections for example). I’m not saying there isn’t room for improvement – but something less than equal exposure to both sides of an issue isn’t unique to LGBTQ issues. Get in line on that one….

          • I apologize if I in any way implied that this only applied to lbgt issues. It applies to all issues. Our media is lazy and incompetent with enough barely enough exceptions to count on one’s own fingers. It IS a big deal that people can go on television and be allowed to flat out lie without being challenged. Oh right 24/7/365 doesn’t allow them enough time for follow-up questions? Part of it is the very idea of “both sides”. For one thing there are often more than two points of view on an issue, not just the false binary of right/left. In addition, sometimes one person is right and the other is wrong. Yes, there are often matters in which the views expressed are opinions or highly subjective. In other cases the things said are presented as matters of FACT and therefore should be verifiable. This is so basic that it’s infuriating that it is over the heads of the idiots that produce and perform on what passes for “news” in the 21st century in America.

          • Jim Detwiler

            I couldn’t agree more and thanks for clarifying. Because there are those who actually do want to silence opinion they believe is wrong, which is anathetical to the most basic values of freedom of speech and civic equality no matter which side of an issue you’re on.
            We’re winning this because the totality of what the media reports lets people realize we ARE right, and not because we’ve silenced our opposition. Their claims to the contrary – that we’re silencing them – is as phony as their predictions about the world coming to an end if the transgendered are allowed to use public restrooms. Let’s keep it that way, in my opinion.

          • Quite the opposite, actually. There is no silencing anyway. Yes, someone’s views may be banned from certain media outlets, but they’d still be out there. Some of this crap I’ve been hearing since childhood from pulpits and in conversation. There is no silencing of that bullshit. What there needs to be is a challenge to easily debunked ideas. Liberals for some reason think themselves above that sort of thing and then are shocked when they lose elections where they didn’t even bother defending their own ideas or taking apart the easily debunked bullshit of conservatives. No, let them speak, but demand equal time and especially demand that when someone says something that is flat out not true that they be called out for lying. I don’t know why this isn’t already happening and I realize that on live tv it’s hard during a “gish gallop”* of nonsense, but it has to be done.

            *http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gish%20Gallop

          • Jim Detwiler

            I don’t think your point is in dispute or the opposite of anything that’s been posted. At least I haven’t seen anybody insist we shouldn’t engage in these media debates because it gives the opposition some credibility – as has been suggested by some posters in previous threads. We have to insist our voices ARE heard, especially alongside those who oppose us.

          • Jim Detwiler

            …and JMG lifted the above anti-transgender opinion from the Charlotte Observer website where it appeared BELOW an opinion piece supporting anti-discrimination legislation. http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article11673401.html
            The Charlotte Observer not only published our rebuttal but arguably gave it more prominent placement. How would you improve on this?

        • I listen to a podcast (Feast of Fun) that sometimes deals with trans issues and it’s clear that most trans people are highly concerned about being “clocked” (spotted as trans by other people). This is a problem because there is so much violence against trans people, including murder. The last thing most trans people would want is to be walking around nude in the locker room.

          • Jim Detwiler

            Not to mention that trans people have been using the other bathroom all along. As an off-street employment interviewer for a large corporation back in the 70s in Seattle (home to UW’s pioneering “sex-change” program), I interviewed and hired a couple applicants I suspected were transitioned. We all did. No big deal. We were looking for people seriously committed to their own success – a good predictor of their work – and I don’t recall a single controversy.

        • forcebear

          “Recent” as in over two years ago (Oct 2012), and the transwoman had no “intent to commit crimes”. This was an instance of discrimination against a transwoman. It’s the very reason we need laws against discrimination, not a reason to oppose them.

      • charemor

        Agreed, I haven’t seen anything about it in the newspapers or news internet sites.

    • bobbyjoe

      Exactly. And who wants to bet if there is any documentation it’s like one of the examples happened in 1953, one in 1970, and one in 1994. ’cause if there were some epidemic of this, you’d think it would be big news with people other than the usual branch of lying liar Christianists.

      Plus, how exactly would these laws have any impact on psychopathic heterosexual men who went to the ridiculous trouble of dressing up as women to commit a crime they could commit without having to go to all the trouble of enacting the world’s worst episode of “Bosom Buddies”? And, obviously, if there are any previous cases, these laws didn’t stop them, what would stop them now?

    • KnownDonorDad

      I bet the “source” is David Barton or someone of similar caliber.

      Seriously…I have never heard about these “real examples.” Look at the cake martyrs; the few that exist can practically be ticked off the top of your head (The Baroness, the New Mexico photographer, etc.). These examples would be household names by now.

    • Nic Peterson

      One could easily remind Brother Benham that some pedophiles have dressed up as religious leaders in order to commit crimes against children. Some of them even wear dresses, fabulous hats and red shoes.

      • Sashineb

        And don’t forget all of the baptist preachers that are in similar situations. stopbaptistpredators dot org

      • 2patricius2

        Good one!

    • vorpal

      The problem is that these bigots don’t need evidence. They know it’s a lie. They just want a narrative that they can tell themselves to justify their own bigotry and rally support for it, truth be damned. Even if you show them that it’s a blatant lie, they won’t apologize for it and will turn that around on you to make you the bad guy so that they can once again lay claim to the victim role.

      Everything with these people is completely fucking backwards. They claim that liberals are pansies that act on emotion, but their whole modus operandi is to use emotion to garner support for their ridiculousness, which is all based on emotional knee-jerk responses.

      • Joe in PA

        but notice his description of the pedophile was ‘heterosexual’. Huh. He is all kinda fucked up.

      • Joe in PA

        (sorry, I sent that first message by mistake)

      • Steven B

        I honestly don’t think this type of person is lying when they spew this sort of nonsense. I think they really believe what they’re saying is true. I’m not in any way sticking up for this BS but I just think they have talked themselves into believing all the vomit that comes out of their mouths.
        They are afraid of something they don’t understand and they listen to crap that justifies their fears and lack of knowledge convincing themselves it’s true.
        That said, I wish they’d STFU.

    • j.martindale

      What crimes? Rape? Child molestation? There are laws that can be prosecuted if that is the case. As has been said here before: the only reason they are doing this is to arouse bigotry and encourage discrimination against non-heteros.

    • Steven B

      “Historically, civil rights have never been provided to protect behaviors or psychological states of mind.”

      What about a Sikh who wears a turban? Or Muslims who pray to Mecca in public? Or Hasidic Jews in their gettup? Or priests and nuns for that matter? Amish? People have legally protected rights to wear garb or to behave in ways which reflect their state of mind.

    • Latner

      They’ve watched “Dressed to Kill” too many times.

  • LarryChemEngr

    Do you just hate paying your taxes? Well, step right up, and declare that it is against your deeply-held religious beliefs. Woo Hah!

    • People4Humanity

      What about Christ-on-a-Stick’s admonition to “Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.”?

      • Lumpy Gaga

        Brunch Ministry includes bottomless Caesar Salad.

  • carswell

    Oops. Wrong thread. Nevermind…

  • Lumpy Gaga

    Come join my Brunch Ministry. It’s on Sundays, as brunches have been for millenia and across all cultures.

    Greet your neighbor at the omelette bar with a sign of peace.

  • bkmn

    Speaking of fundie religious groups encouraging their members with mental disorders to act out….

  • DaveMiller135

    “Do you enjoy the freedom to live according to your conscience without being forced to promote ideas or behaviors contrary to your convictions?

    I’ll assume then that I’ve heard the last about the “War on Christmas,” “America is a Christian Nation” nonsense, shall I?

    “Should a gay T-shirt maker be forced to create anti-gay marriage T-shirts?”

    Did I miss something? Is being anti-gay a protected class under this ordinance? Because political views often aren’t.

    “Should a Muslim baker be mandated to make a gay wedding cake?”

    If they open a bakery to the public, they would be required to obey local laws, including any anti-discrimination laws.

    “Second, it opens the door for male heterosexual predators to pose as women under the guise of being transgender.”

    Why not try to deal with that actual problem, straight guys, instead of insisting that transsexuals hold it until they get home?

  • Lawerence Collins

    Lying for Jesus.
    Not the popular opinion here, but the Christ I learned about growing up, said to love all people even thy enemies. To treat them well. To leave sny and all judgement to him.
    I get the bible is wrought with contradiction. That love is stronger than fear! That’s what all these fearmongers are selling. Fear, evolved into hate and rage.

  • Lawerence Collins

    Forgot this

  • geoffalnutt

    The man has a third grade education (at best).

  • Justin

    And religious fundamentalism opens the door for deeply twisted people to grift and spread hatred while allowing them to rationalize their sordid actions.

  • Mister Don

    David, a penis is what I have between my legs; a prick is what you are.

  • Eric in Oakland

    “First, by allowing transgendered males to enter women’s restrooms…

    You mean they aren’t allowed now? Is there some law in Charleston governing restroom use?!

  • Whip up hate and anger and possible violence against one of, if not the most maligned groups in society, the trans ladies. And y’all know without a shadow of a doubt that if a man had of dressed like a woman to rape a lady in the restroom that would have made front page headlines.

    Men who rape aren’t concerned with breaking a silly gender rule to follow a lady into the women’s restroom. Its about power and domination and hate.

    • Goodboy

      Not to mention never ever happening.

  • Now with magic repellant powers to protect your lady folks!

    • KnownDonorDad

      Don’t tell them about the Magnetic Fields.

      • OH MY! Thats perfect!

  • oikos

    Hmm I’ll bet he can’t produce a single example of hetero men committing “rest room crimes” as women.

    • TampaDink

      Even if he can cite dozens of examples, what do the criminal actions of a small sampling of hetero men have to do with denying protection to transgender people?

      • oikos

        Absolutely nothing, but typical of cons to make factually unsupported claims.

        • TampaDink

          This is one area that they excel.

          • oikos

            They either make laws to address non existent problems or oppose laws to address real problems.

  • Ninja0980

    Historically, civil rights have never been provided to protect behaviors or psychological states of mind.”
    Then why the hell are there any for religion then?

  • KnownDonorDad

    The cries of oppression from the Christianists over at the comments section are amazing. Props to them for using their actual Facebook accounts, at least.

  • lukefromcanada

    what about your convictions that you want to be treated like everyone else, why should you have to be shoved back in the closet merely because they have an issue with it, thats their problem not mine.

  • Darrell

    Really? Because I’m pretty sure speech, assembly, petition, political affiliation, marital status, sexual orientation, religion, etc. are “behaviors and psychological states of mind”. And, Ha! As if they cared about a Muslim’s freedom…

  • KnownDonorDad

    Here’s my theory. The Benham twins have unusually fragile psyches and were permanently scarred when they watched Silence of the Lambs.

    • Lumpy Gaga

      That is a pretty scarring movie. Still trying to not look at that pic, and not liking all the dredged up Jodie Foster. Better to pick one of those hostile and bad-bad (not good-bad) 70s movies where the tranny criminal gets shot in the stadium bathroom by the cops or something.

      That’s Shakespeare for these people.

  • kcken

    Too bad their remodeling show got canceled. I would have like to have seen just how big his closet was…

  • DaddyRay

    Don’t you just love the fake concern he has for muslim bakers

    • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

      He’s really wondering “should a Muslim baker be allowed to live after refusing to convert?”

    • KnownDonorDad

      That’s even less believable than fake concern for Jews.

    • ericxdc

      And gay t-shirt makers.

      What a considerate dear heart he is. Always looking out for “others.”

      • DaddyRay

        Exactly – how about should Gay Bakers be required to make wedding cakes for straight couples while being denied the same right in their own state

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    “Should a gay T-shirt maker be forced to create anti-gay marriage T-shirts? Should a Muslim baker be mandated to make a gay wedding cake?”

    Should atheists, non-Christians and non-publicly pious people be forced to listen to Christian prayer in schools and sporting events?

    • zhera

      Should an atheist be mandated to provide flowers for a church wedding?

  • Larry in Oklahoma

    And he wonders why his TV show got cancelled!

  • Yalma Cuder-Zicci

    “being transgendered is a psychological state of mind that anyone can claim, no matter what clothes they wear. From Los Angeles, Milwaukee and Olympia, Wash., there are real examples of heterosexual men dressing like women and entering women’s rooms with intent to commit crimes.”

    There are also real examples of disturbed and malevolent dirtbags who wrap themselves in the cloak of Christianity, while harming their fellow citizens in the name Jesus.

  • Couple things – one, what is religion (a protected civil right) if not a behavior or a state of mind? No one is born Christian, no one is born Muslim. It’s a belief system and a set of opinions and behaviors. So, fuck you on that one bro, already you’re an idiot.

    Second, I’d like to see his citation of men entering women’s bathrooms and locker rooms posing as transgendered people to prey on women and kids. Bueller? Bueller?

    The ONLY thing I will say…. is I do think for everyone involved, bathrooms should be limited to post op T peeps. Mainly because the point of gendered bathrooms or locker rooms (lockerrooms more specifically, bathrooms are whatever) is because those sharing the bathrooms all have the same physical parts. At the end of the day, I dunno how I’d feel if a dude with a dick was changing next to me in a locker room, whether the identify personally as female or not. And I don’t know how I’d feel about changing in front of a person with the physical attributes of a guy. Bathrooms and locker rooms aren’t so much for the gender identity so much as they are for the physical ones, so for me, I kind of think it’s a bit pointless for a transgendered woman who is pre op entirely (or who doesn’t want to operate at all, which is totally their right, call and opinion) to use a changing room designated for people with vaginas. It kind of defeats the purpose and personally, would a transgendered person who is pre op really feel comfortable in that scenario also? I am not sure.

    Keep in mind, this isn’t because of like “prying eyes” or because I think men would lie. I have no problem being in a changing room with lesbian women. It’s about the comfort of being naked and all having the same shit physically for me. Does that make sense?

    Everything else this guy said is stupidity. He has no understanding of non-disciminaiton laws, no concept of the difference between writing something offensive and claiming religious freedom to discriminate, and he looks like a Ken doll that was left out in the sun for too long and kind of melted a little bit.

    • zhera

      So where would pre-op trans people go? Should there be a separate bathroom/locker room for them? Or two, as they come in male and female bodies.
      Should businesses have four restrooms instead of two? I can imagine the cries from the right if the government forces that on everybody. And that type of divide is too much like race segregation.

      Some people are uncomfortable with sharing locker rooms with fat people/people of a different race/tall people/short people. Where should the line be drawn?

      And frankly, pre-op trans women or men are for the most part (if not completely) very uncomfortable with showing their bodies/genitals to others. I seriously doubt there are many cases of ‘Penis in women’s locker room’, and those would probably happen no matter what the law says.

    • noni

      So a woman who has had a mastectomy couldn’t be in the locker room with you?

  • Ninja0980

    If they want to talk about the bigotry Muslims face, perhaps they should start by addressing the many anti-Muslim comments their father has made.
    Of course they won’t because this isn’t about concern for others, it’s the fear they have of not being able to discriminate against us anymore.

  • Bj Lincoln

    OMG! Transgender people ARE going to the bathroom as I write!
    Fucking lying moron!

    • Lumpy Gaga

      You post to JMG from the john? Awesome.

      And dedicated.

  • uhhuhh

    It’s good that the opponents picked a moron as their spokesman.

  • Gigi

    Re: “it opens the door for male heterosexual predators to pose as women under the guise of being transgender.” Do people really believe this shit?

    • Herald

      Tragically, yes far too many do!

    • B Snow

      Maybe they could work on getting heterosexual males to stop being predators. Just throwing it out there…..

    • RFW

      One laughably illogical error is this: if these hypothetical “male sexual predators” actually existed, they’d already be doing what he “fears”. (No real fear there; it’s just a talking point with no connection to reality.)

      More than once when I had to go at a Starbucks and the men’s room was in use, I just used the ladies.

      Do the Starbucks in the US have unisex restrooms, btw? Many of them here in Canada do.

      • Gigi

        Good points. Starbucks does have unisex bathrooms in U.S., as do many other establishments. They’re just using this scare tactic to further their anti-gay agenda. As per usual.

  • Remember all those times in history where humankind made such strong advancements by taking the worst possible, implausible scenario and working BACKWARD from that point?

    Yeah, I don’t either.

  • bambinoitaliano

    We are continuing to see the trend where by religions are being misuse to commit genocide on human rights, erosion of culture & civilization and undermining democracy. Religion is the Hitler of our time without border. The battle of good versus evil is too close in proximity. It’s going to get very very bad.

    • LonelyLiberal

      Should we start calling the Pope “Hitler Without Borders” or is that too Godwiny?

      • Since he’s from Argentina I think we have a little leeway for getting away with it.

  • Octavio

    “Do you like piña coladas? Romantic walks in soft rains? Do you like bunny sex at midnight? Being tied up in chains? Well, you then support Muslim bakers, (who make basically pita bread), forcing them to make gay wedding cakes!”

    Ahhhhyurrrup! Herpa derpa derpa do.

  • Nexus1

    Only a couple of sentences about gay people in this idiotic screed. The rest of it is nonsense and fear mongering about transpeople. The part about transmen entering the women’s bathroom shows his ignorance. Transmen would be using the mens bathroom since they are men. He clearly means MTF transwomen, but can’t fully bring himself to identify them with their proper gender identity so he completely botches the sentence. A FTM transgendered person is a man and not very likely to cause much of a spectacle in the mens bathroom. A MTF transgendered person is a woman and if she has fully transitioned and had the bottom surgery, then she has no penis for paranoid people to be afraid of. Most MTF trans folks are the ones living with fear, they aren’t trying to hurt anyone. I don’t think that there are any women worried about being assaulted in a public bathroom. It’s the freaking bathroom after all, you go in there, you do your business, wash your hands and get the hell out. What the hell do these bigots think is going on in there?

    One thing that greater trans awareness and acceptance will do is allow people to begin transitioning before or during puberty so that they can live their lives in there proper gender in peace and by looking indistinguishable from cisgendered people. Then these bigots won’t know what to do. But by then hopefully we have a fully LGBT inclusive Civil Rights Act.

  • LonelyLiberal

    Somehow, I’m completely comfortable with the idea of a FTM man using the same bathroom I am at the same time I do.

    It’s weird, I consider them as they consider themselves…men. Call me crazy for being willing to accept their self-definition, I know.

    As for the rest of it, nobody’s forcing you to promote any idea you don’t want to. Regions with anti-discrimination laws have just as many ‘phobes as any other. They’re just rendered unable to harm others with their beliefs. Y’know, kind of like there are limits on the First Amendment for the same reasons. No problems there.

    Far more than no problems there, there’s no “there” there.

    And no, I don’t find hateful to be particularly fuckable, either.

  • Nexus1

    To answer your first question Mr. Benham, yes I would. But I also happen to know that I live in a society. You know that concept right? Society that thing where we have to live together and deal with and respect each other to a basic degree in order to survive each day and make things work? Yeah that thing. I know I’ll have to deal with people who don’t think the same way I do or believe in the same things, but I can handle that because I’m a fucking adult and know that the world doesn’t have to conform to my beliefs. All of these demands to be little empires unto themselves by this latest generation of bigots is the epitome of childishness. Yes little Timmy you will have to deal with people you don’t like in SOCIETY, you will have to make some compromises in order to coexist in this world and so will others all around you everyday. It’s how the real world has functioned for 1000’s of years and anyone who tells you otherwise isn’t living in the real world.

  • GayOldLady

    I know several people in this thread have made the point, but it’s definitely worth making again. Only a criminal would enter the woman’s restroom with the intent to rape. A gender neutral restroom or the ability for a transgendered woman to use the women’s room wouldn’t encourage a rapist to pick his victims there. The real evidence shows that most rapists know their victim and their victims are often a family member, an acquaintance or a date. It’s a ridiculous assertion that should be countered with facts.

    • LonelyLiberal

      And honestly, in a lot of cases with a trangendered man or woman, can you really tell at a glance? Particulary post reassignment surgery? Answer: no.

      So what, we all need our DNA tested before we can pee? If so, there are a few people out there who were born biologically one gender and are about to get a big surprise.

      • Herald

        I know some pre-op trans folks and if you did not already that that you would never guess.

        • GayOldLady

          I worked with a man, nearly 30 years ago, who went oversees to have gender reassignment surgery. I always thought he was a beautiful man, and when he began to change his outward appearance to that of a woman, he became even more beautiful. He had gorgeous black hair and thick black eye lashes and the most beautiful blue eyes I’ve ever seen. Even before her surgery she looked more like a female than any woman I worked with. She asked to use the women’s restroom, but was denied because the women didn’t want her in the women’s room and the men didn’t want her in the men’s room either. She was a highly skilled Machinist and eventually, out of fear of losing her, the company installed a gender neutral restroom, just for her. Even though it was out of my way, I tried to make a point of using the gender neutral restroom whenever possible, just to make a point. Eventually, a lot of people whose work area was closer to the gender neutral restroom than the men’s or the women’s room began to use it . It all ended up being much ado about nothing.

          • Herald

            I am very glad to hear that the company adjusted and accommodated her. It really is much ado about nothing.

        • LonelyLiberal

          I’m sure. I know some non-trans folks who, when dressed in drag, you’d absolutely never know.

    • Herald

      Since when do the facts matter to these folks?

  • 2patricius2

    “Historically, civil rights have never been provided to protect behaviors or psychological states of mind…” So, David, I guess that means civil rights have never been provided to protect the behavior of those would refuse to bake cakes or provide flowers to certain people; and I guess that means that the psychological states of mind of those who believe their god tells them they can’t bake cakes for gay couples is not protected.

  • DirtyPierre

    Too bad the pretty talking head is full of hsit.

  • delk

    “Should a gay T-shirt maker be forced to create anti-gay marriage T-shirts? Should a Muslim baker be mandated to make a gay wedding cake?”
    I don’t know, should assholes be allowed to write op-eds?

  • geru

    I just keep wondering who are all these small business owners who are doing well enough that they can choose their customers based on philosophical preferences? Apparently these small bakeries are doing far better than I’d imagine.

    • delk

      I know, right? I mean when people are struggling to make ends meet, who is going to buy flowers?

    • Lumpy Gaga

      This wknd, Joe posted a story about one set of bakers and the brief out-of-state business boost they got from defending Jeebus.

      Surprisingly enough, the world continued spinning, and…that business bump went back down.

      Baking for Jeebus: keeps you afloat for 1 quarter.

  • Mark

    And does it go against your beliefs that so many single and married Christian men – from LA to Chicago to Dallas to Miami to Charlotte – seek to get their cocks sucked on the down low?

    Alas, the proof is gone! I knew I should have spit in that blue hanky…)

  • There they go again, PROJECTING, PROJECTING, PROJECTING.

    • Octavio

      I’d go so far as to say they are projectile projecting!

  • Sean

    In the 19th century businesses displayed “No Irish Need Apply” and “Italians need not apply”. In the 20th century businesses displayed “No colored allowed” and “Jews are not wanted here”. Now in the 21st century anti-LGBT businesses want to display “No gays allowed”. Discrimination wasn’t okey then, and it is NOT okay now. NO JIM CROW STYLE LAWS! REAL Americans do NOT support Jim Crow behavior. If I (as a business owner) cannot refuse to serve anti-LGBT bigots because it is illegal to discriminate based on personal or religious beliefs, anti-LGBT business owners cannot refuse to serve LGBT people. The laws of this country are required BY LAW to apply to ALL citizens equally or none at all. KKK members cannot refuse service to black people. Neo-Nazis cannot refuse service to Jews. Atheists cannot refuse service to Christians or any other faith. Therefore Anti-LGBT’s cannot refuse service to LGBT’s.

    So NO! No special Jim Crow style privileges for anti-LGBT bigoted barbarians to discriminate against whomever they want for whatever reason their mentally unstable little no-brain heads want but nobody can do the same to them.

    Your religious liberty is: pray to whatever human made “God” you want, worship in whatever house of worship you want, read whatever religious/spiritual text you want, wear whatever religious/spiritual symbol you want – THAT IS IT, PERIOD! You do NOT have the religious liberty to force, demand, or require others adhere to your religion and its definitions nor do you have the right to harass others with it either.

    But if Anti-LGBT Inc. wants to go down this chaotic road they better accept LGBT or pro-LGBT owned businesses &workers refusing service or products to them because they are anti-LGBT & they better not cry “persecution” or “discrimination.

    Transgender people pay taxes therefor the public restrooms are their property and they should be able to use them according to the gender they identify as or don’t tax them. A transgender MTF would be open to harassment, violence, and even murder if she was forced to use a mens restroom. The same would occur to a transgender FTM.

  • He can spew all the anti-gay bigotry he wants. We have proven ourselves capable of defending ourselves and we have plenty of allies. this is only the result of people coming out. Assholes like this only show how mean-spirited the religious right really is. But the trans-bigotry is a truly low blow. He knows full well that trans people do not have nearly the numbers nor the allies of the gay community. They are the new target of these douchebags and I will not stand for it. Nor should the rest of us. Oh, now a trans woman might be in the next stall doing her business which no one can see because stalls. Really. That is the last scary scare tactic I’ve ever heard of. Maybe he’s admitting he checks out other men in the men’s room? Most of us do what we came to do, wash our hands (well actually most of us don’t do that but we should) and leave. What a turd.

    • KnownDonorDad

      Maybe he’s admitting he checks out other men in the men’s room?

      Well, sure, but he does it in a totally straight way.

      In all seriousness: you’re absolutely right about standing up for the next target(s) of the religious right. They know (or will soon realize) they’ve lost the battle against SSM and they’ll double down.

      • It seems clear if you read enough of this shit from the religious right that they’ve already picked their next target and it’s trans people. We need to already be talking to our straight friends about this issue. This is a vulnerable community and just the kind of target bullies love because they know they can’t fight back, just like gay people couldn’t when we were all in danger of losing families and jobs if we were outed.

  • SFBruce

    “From Los Angeles, Milwaukee and Olympia, Wash., there are real examples of heterosexual men dressing like women and entering women’s rooms with intent to commit crimes.”

    Really?? Let us know when you have actual evidence to support this crisis no one knows about but you.

  • Steven Leahy

    When I was debating this issue with my fundie “friend” months ago on another rights ordinance (I believe it was Houston’s), he brought up the hetero-men-posing-as-women-to-rape-little-girls issue too. Seems as a group they’re really fixated on that. On the other hand, it might just be an excuse.

  • TheManicMechanic

    Says the guy with the not-so-secret hots for Michelangelo Signorile.

    I swear, I accidentally left my gaydar back in another state, locked in its Pelican transportation case. with the cool little air valve that equalizes air pressure inside and out while still maintaining a waterproof seal and flood-proof buoyancy. I also know I turned the power off and removed the lithium ion battery pack per FAA regulations. But right now, as I look at this fool’s photo, I can still hear that damn thing going off 150 miles away, through the current snow and ice storm we had to drive through at the break of dawn in order to get home.

    • Bad Tom

      I love Pelican cases. They are awesome.

  • thevofl

    I would love to see a female to male transgender use the women’s bathroom at one of their Christian events. I wonder if they would still feel the same way or if they would change their tune.

    • KarenAtFOH

      No, because what they really hate is the idea that someone would give up masculine privilege to become a woman, who they secretly despise.

      • thevofl

        You do make an excellent point. But it will definitely fuck with their heads.

  • StuckNtexas

    Sounds like to me these fearmongers secretly want gay men peeing in the urinal trough beside them.

    New Rule: For each lie they tell, we get unfettered access to their browser histories.

  • Osowoofy

    They’re disgusting pricks, but they’re also finding arguments that have some resonance with the population. It’s incumbent upon our side to counter their subterfuge.

    There’s been big media exposure about florists and bakers — real-world issues with faces that are current and splashed across the internet, and they’ve sensed some hesitancy in the air. Correspondingly they’re changing the focus to go after these issues on a gut level, and the momentum is changing.

    This is war and our side needs to realize it.

  • Max_1

    What’s interesting is that all of this is done to prevent gays from loving…
    … And this ordinance could be used to discriminate against blacks sitting at a Christian lunch counter, too.

    • Ninja0980

      That is the whole idea.
      They will start with us but they certainly don’t intend to stop there.

  • Steven B

    If a straight man dresses up and prowls a women bathroom for twisted purposes then that’s illegal and he would be arrested and charged with harassment. If a transgendered woman does it, then she’s just taking care of nature’s call.
    It’s funny how no one ever mentions a trans man going into a men’s room.

    • KnownDonorDad

      On the last point: you’re right, they never do, but more to the point, have any women complained specifically about trans women going into a women’s room? It’s like the Benhams and their ilk have to gin up fear on behalf of the womenfolk.

      • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

        Women have no right to speak! What are you, an atheist??

  • i’ve always wondered if these guys would have been as terrible and in our faces now if they had gotten their show.

    • Tor

      Maybe they’d have something else to distract them.

    • KnownDonorDad

      I don’t think so; look at Phil Robertson.

  • TampaZeke

    Lyin’, Lyin’, Lyin’, keep those haterz lyin, RAWHIDE!

  • David Ehrenstein

    Do you believe that identical twins should be permitted to suck each other off? Well I certainly so put your brother’s cock back into you mouth — and yours back in his — and SHUT UP!!!!!!

    • LonelyLiberal

      Since technically they only have one soul, I’d say that it amounts to masturbation. Which they could use.

  • Baltimatt

    From Google and Sealed Air to CIAA and the DNC, our city is able to attract companies and events from around the world because Charlotte enjoys a unique balance between economic vibrancy and biblical values that are both welcoming and respectful. Research from the Alliance Defending Freedom legal organization could not in any case “provide a substantiated, or even alleged, pattern of sexual-orientation or gender-identity discrimination in Charlotte.” In other words, discrimination is not a problem here!

    Balance between economic vibrancy and biblical values? What the hell? And Alliance Defending Freedom could not find any anti-gay or anti-trans discrimination? I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.

    Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article11673401.html#storylink=cpy<

    • Lumpy Gaga

      Stupid ADF. I bet they didn’t even look between the couch cushions.

  • ” Historically, civil rights have never been provided to protect behaviors or psychological states of mind.”

    I wonder if he considers religious belief and expression genetic.

  • Cuberly

    Unbelievable the omissions and assertions in that, let alone the blatant lying.

    http://www.troll.me/images/happy-jesus/jesus-knows-that-youre-lying.jpg

    • Sam_Handwich

      he got a purdy mouff

      • Cuberly

        Jesus say aaaahhhhhhhhh.

      • Bad Tom

        Without benefit of dentistry.
        It’s a miracle!

    • Interesting how you can take any fairly typical European-American male face add pretty long brown – not black! – hair perfectly coiffed, give him a week old beard, then garb him with a red over-dress and voila! instant Jeebus!

  • TexPlant

    so belief in the sky monster is not a state of mind? We can give living breathing examples of gay and transgender persons and to date no one has produced proof of the existence of a christian god

  • RLK2

    Has the newspaper allowed for a counter point to be written to dispel this hate?

    • Benham’s fact-free screed was preceded by a piece supporting the ordinance by Scott Bishop. Most of the comments are not pro-Benham.

  • RLK2

    The dude gives off such a gay vibe.

  • coram nobis

    “Civil rights have never been provided to protect behaviors or psychological states of mind”? What about, oh, religious belief? Certainly, that’s a choice, as any born-again might tell you. And its constitutional protection hasn’t been questioned, so far, but if he wants to open the debate …

  • Sam_Handwich

    4.5 inches in central park, and still coming down. joe’s off playing in the snow

    • I played with guy named Snow once…he was a lotta fun, do you fault Joe?

  • Frederick

    So…

    Candis Cayne should be forced to use the men’s bathroom, locker and shower rooms and Buck Angel should be forced to use the women’s.

    …( wow…you really are as MOTHERFUCKING STUPID as you look. )

  • Ginger Snap

    Hate is an ugly that never goes away.

    • Tor

      Al the way to the bone.

  • Jeffrey

    It’s so easy when you are born with all the privileges to believe in God and his blessings…because you have those blessings! Born handsome and blonde with a little money, its easy to think that God is shining a special little God Light down on you. But he isn’t. Because if you really think he is, then you have to also believe that he is willfully ignoring a billion starving and disenfranchised people in the world. You’d have to believe that He is the most amazing, yet most cruel thing to ever exist. A being that actually had the capability to erase ALL human frailties and disease, but chooses not to…but somehow chooses to grace your cunty little ass with fame and blonde highlights. Fuck you and your twaty little pussy boy brother and your angry little vengeance against the gays who took your teevee show away.

  • EdmondWherever

    it opens the door for male heterosexual predators to pose as women under the guise of being transgender.

    What’s stopping them from doing that now? Does he think that these predators are holding back from disguising themselves because it isn’t legal? The only result of this law would be to treat actual transgendered people the same as the predators. Which of course is what people like Benham want.

  • garygdw

    These assholes and their clusterfuck duggar buddies Must. Be. Stopped.

    • Jeffrey

      these guys are the kardashians of the closet case set.

  • KnownDonorDad

    From Los Angeles, Milwaukee and Olympia, Wash., there are real examples of heterosexual men dressing like women and entering women’s rooms with intent to commit crimes.

    OK, I can’t find sh-t about this on the internets. Where is he pulling this from, aside from the obvious?

  • Brian in Valdosta

    I don’t even have the strength to write anything of my own to add to the flood of discourse aimed at this supreme douchenozzle. I’ll just upvote everyone throughout this thread, because what all of you is saying is right on point.

    Keep it up. We have to keep up our counterpressure otherwise they’ll drive overtop of us.

  • Jafafa Hots

    a “gay wedding cake?”
    Hmm… are cakes born gay, or is that a foodstyle choice?

    Cake is cake, dumbass.
    The “gay wedding cake” is a lie.

    • Tor

      I think he means “to participate directly and up front in the blessing of a sinful union via the baking of a gay cake.”

      • Jafafa Hots

        They are trying to conflate “selling a shirt with a hate message on it, which I don’t normally do” with “selling a product I normally DO regularly sell to someone I hate.”

        It won’t wash.

        • Tor

          Yup. That’s it.

        • Bad Tom

          Of course it won’t wash.
          Dryclean only.

      • RFW

        A cake is not required by the marriage rituals of any religion known to me.

        • Jafafa Hots

          Next you’ll be trying to tell me that Jesus didn’t invent the Christmas tree.

    • CB

      Some cakes are born gay.
      Some achieve gayness.
      And some have gayness thrust upon them.

      (Sorry, Shakespeare.)

  • charemor

    Doesn’t this grinning nerd have a twin brother that he should be fucking?

  • JCF

    The Benhams would have fit in PERFECTLY in Germany in the 1930s . . . only it’s “sexually predatory Jews” they would have been agitating against.

    • LonelyLiberal

      So they met my second boyfriend?

      • Tor

        They met him and more…

    • David L. Caster

      And the rest of those that were “defective” and not “genetically pure”—all ripe for scapegoating and extermination to perfect the “master race”.

      This documentary, part of a series carrying a 1998 copyright and slightly dated, does a good job of covering many significant historical moments. I highly recommend that thinking people take a look at this and reflect on what we see going on now in many areas of politics and human rights struggles. It will require a little investment of time but the insights are worth the roughly hour and 45 minutes. It is not at all dull if you have any interest in the century just passed. The whole series is basically a history of major scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century.

      The link below is about the evolution of scientific understanding of the human mind. It is particularly interesting and actually very much on topic for this thread.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsqJOy9rpPA&index=3&list=PL0VcnQ92XNVZARYYmvR7XSKJ2T3KeoWwR

  • Bruno

    This is the #1 reason why hubby and I are vacating the US. Religion. It’s going to get much worse because of ISIS and we don’t think the US will make the right decisions. I’ve lived abroad for many years and I can honestly say that the US is fucked up.

    This fucking d-bag speaks and so many listen. This is a direct result of low voter turnout.

    We should all be ashamed .

  • Dale Snyder

    Just what I would do – listen to an illiterate queer projecting.

  • Sporkfighter

    I have to admit that I don’t understand the desire a transgender person feels toward using the restroom designated by an arbitrary sign on a door arbitrarily marking out a territory for those with a particular set of genitalia to dispose of their bodily wastes. I think that in a few days, I could get used to the fact that sometimes the person in the stall next door is female. It’s only a big deal because we make it a big deal. Why is it a big deal to the transgendered?

    On the other hand, I can imagine that the big deal we as a society make of gender and gender roles is what makes it such a big deal to transgenders. I don’t feel pushed into a box that doesn’t fit me 7/24. If I did, perhaps I’d understand. But I don’t have to understand, I can believe it’s important because so many transgender people tell me it’s important. That’s good enough.

  • goofy_joe

    What “real” examples you fucking asshat. You’re just pissed because your show got canned.

  • Arkansan

    This is pretty much the same wording and scare tactics Michelle Duggar used in the robocalls and print ads in Fayetteville Arkansas to get a new anti-discrimination ordinance repealed. You can bet they won’t stop there. This one woman baby mill has thrown time and money into telling others how to live, but there is a petition at Change.org asking The Learning Channel to cancel their show. They are using their money and fame to hurt LGBT people. Please sign the petition to help get them stopped.

    https://www.change.org/p/the-learning-channel-end-lgbtq-fear-mongering-by-the-duggars

  • Happy Dance

    “Second, it opens the door for male heterosexual predators to pose as women under the guise of being transgender.” Ummm, what’s stopping them from doing that now if they desired. That is called “CRIMINAL INTENT”…wanting to use the bathroom in your own skin does not make you a criminal…at least not until you are done obsessing with people using the bathroom. Fucking idiots!!! Pardon my expletive….

  • TMA

    Okay, time for a new story, Joe.

  • Bruno

    I wish the U.S. wasn’t a theocratic country.

  • Whatever…

    “Historically, civil rights have never been provided to protect behaviors or psychological states of mind.” – David Benham

    WRONG!!! Religious freedom is a civil right provided to protect “behaviors or psychological states of mind”. What could be more “behavior-based” along with “psychologically warped states of mind” than the scam of organized religion? Apparently, David doesn’t know what he is talking about again. Individuals — religious or non-religious, gay or straight, regardless of race, gender, or ethnicity — are entitled to all of the very same rights. Stop equivocating, David with your skewed concept of civil rights that just favors your pet cults and klans.

    • disqus_oCvsL5SBJH

      I think we should start calling anti-gays who use the ‘choice’ argument “non-believers,” because at this point they’re the only ones who don’t believe that sexual orientation is inborn and immutable, and that’s just because their textbook for human sexuality is over 2,000 years old, and their God couldn’t even tell what kind of creature Adam was going to shack up with when he created the universe (Gen: 2:18-20)

  • Todd20036

    I’ve known escorts with better grammar skills, and unlike your whoring, they actually did make over $200+ an hour.

    Flagged and tagged.

  • Not content to be merely heterosexist, David Benham is a full bore cissexist whose idea of justice doesn’t even rise to the already discredited, at least as to race, level of “separate but equal.” He is all for barring trans women from public restrooms, and does not even offer the fig leaf, when setting up “Cis-Male Only” and “Cis-Female Only” restrooms, of requiring establishments that have bathrooms to provide a separate but equal “Trans” bathroom. (The equivalent of “(White) Male,” “(White) Female,” and “Colored (Male and Female)” restrooms during the days of racial segregation.)

  • GayEGO

    Nothing new here. If a guy wants to enter a women’s restroom he just dresses up in drag! :>)

  • “civil rights have never been provided to protect behaviors or psychological states of mind”

    You mean like refusing to provide services because you disagree with the client’s lifestyle?

  • Barry William Teske

    Lol…talk about stabbing ones toe.